Strange Pool Table occurrence

Bic D

Bic D

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I recently had my table re-felted. It's crazy how different it plays and one thing in particular has me a bit puzzled. I was hoping one of you could help.

I can't apply top english. I can draw the ball back 3 rails but if I to use top english, nothing happens. It might go a couple of inches but that is about it.

I also purchased new balls and thought that might be the problem but then I used my old balls and still can't follow.


Anyone experience this?
 
Are you talking about top english on a cue ball hit square in the face of an object ball mid table? Or top english on a cue ball clipping the edge of an object ball hanging in a corner pocket?


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Bic D said:
Yes, top english on a CB hit square in the face of an object ball.
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One possibility that comes to mind is that you're not hitting as high on the CB as you think. Your old cloth was sticky enough to create some "roll" on the CB, but with new cloth it's sliding to the OB.

pj <- just a guess
chgo
 
Day one cloth is crazy slippery / fast.

What brand did you go with?


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I don't recall the name but do know it is a Teflon stain resistant cloth. I've had the cloth for 1 week and have yet to run a single rack of ghost 9-ball.
 
Bic D said:
I don't recall the name but do know it is a Teflon stain resistant cloth. I've had the cloth for 1 week and have yet to run a single rack of ghost 9-ball.
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i have a friend that bought a Brunswick table that came with that cloth.
It is crazy slick and way too fast and it doesn't slow down due to the Teflon.
If money is not a problem rip that crap off and get some Simonis.
 
I'm with Pat. Maybe the slower cloth caused forward roll so you got "some" follow but with the slick cloth you are getting more of a stun shot. Do you have a Jim Rempe ball so you can see where the chalk mark hits the ball? You can also take an ordinary ball like the 11 and position it so the 11 is at dead center. Look at the chalk mark after a follow shot and see how you did.
 
If the OP can beat the ghost in 9 ball and draw the cue ball 3 rails i would feel safe to say he can play a bit and would know if he was hitting the cue ball lower then normal for a follow shot.
I still think its the crappy cloth.
 
measureman said:
If the OP can beat the ghost in 9 ball and draw the cue ball 3 rails i would feel safe to say he can play a bit and would know if he was hitting the cue ball lower then normal for a follow shot.
I still think its the crappy cloth.
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He said he has yet to run a single rack in 9 ball the way I read it. He's also playing on a bar box by the looks of it. I could run racks in 9 ball on a 9' table 10 years ago but I often hit lower on the cb by a full tip until I got a Rempe ball and saw for myself.

Slick cloth will get you better follow, not worse.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion.
 
You're not hitting high enough, plain and simple. If there's enough friction to draw a ball with low hit, then there absolutely must be enough friction to roll forward. Maybe on a previous table, you had a ton of friction as mentioned, and it didn't require much of a top hit to get rolling.
If I had a nickel for everytime I've heard aomeone say, "I put a $100 worth of spin/draw/follow on that shot, and didn't get $5 worth", I would be a rich man.
The problem is they only put $5 worth of englich on the ball to start with, no matter how low, or high they THINK they hit it.
Physics don't lie.
 
measureman said:
If the OP can beat the ghost in 9 ball and draw the cue ball 3 rails i would feel safe to say he can play a bit and would know if he was hitting the cue ball lower then normal for a follow shot.
I still think its the crappy cloth.
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If he's hitting the CB above center, it will follow. No cloth condition can stop that.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
If he's hitting the CB above center, it will follow. No cloth condition can stop that.

pj
chgo
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This.

For the OP: Try to go up a bit on your cueball, even if it may seem strange at first. You may either be elevating your cue (without knowing it) or more likely dipping the cue just before impact. As an experiment, try shortening your bridge by a lot, so much that it looks ridiculous. Your bridge being just a couple of inches. With a very short pullback and a short bridge and a level cue, you'll hit where you aim on the cueball for sure. Then observe what happens. You'll need to hit the cueball about halfway between the top and the "equator" or center of the ball, if you will. You can go slightly higher, even, just to be sure, but you won't get more follow.


I've never heard of the cueball not following, and I've played on pretty much every cloth there is. The only conditions where it may be tricky is in UK pool, where the cueball is significantly lighter and smaller than the object balls. It still follows, but shorter.

When the cloth is brand new on a standard US pool table, you'll sometimes get a much delayed action (which may be amplified by the teflon cloth) but the cueball will eventually follow.
 
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