Miscue reason?

Ladies & Gentlemen........


It is very simpe and each and everyone of us is more than capable of adhering to proper chalking.
But too many players are lazy, forgetful or perhaps rely on some designer chalk that lasts longer.

The truth of the matter is "any chalk" will do more than an adequate job. Has any of these designer
chalks, and I won't bother mentioning the many different brands, resulted in some new world's record
being achieved or a big tournament win by a player whom attributes the win to the brand chalk used?

Go back in time and forget about the records set by Willie Mosconi that are unmatched to this very
day. Just look at all the other greats that just used plain ole chalk and then browse thru the 60's, 70's,
80's, 90's. etc. How many players used a designer chalk instead of Masters, Triangle, etc. Chalk was
just chalk back in the day and know what.......it still is.

Apply it properly and judiciously but do it each and every shot and you will not miscue again because
of a shiny, bald spot. Why is that? Because when you do it each and every shot there isn't any. And
whatever you do, please do not squeak or core the chalk on your cue. Just brush it lightly and allow
the chalk to wear down more evenly instead of boring a hole in the middle that needlessly creates
chalk debris on the table after your stroke, discolors your ferrules faster (unless the ferrules are ivory)
and does not result in an even coat/layer of chalk on the tip.

Now if it makes you feel better to use a particular brand of chalk, then go buy whatever you want. I've
a favorite brand & a bought a carton 5 years ago & haven't even gone through half on the box. Along
the way, I tried and bought some designer chalks and still have them in my closet. The only thing that
matters to me is how well the chalk applies and does it make a mess by flaking etc. And most chalk
brands meet that requirement, even Masters chalk which is free at my pool hall.

I think there's a difference between good chalk and inferior chalk brands but the difference between
good chalk and designer chalk brands is just hyperbole. Go ahead & drop $6-7 for a piece of chalk if
it makes you feel better. I did it five years ago when I got a carton of BD but the chalk cost was only
only $1.50 per cube. You know what,? I wouldn't do it again because the price has gone up. Like I
earlier wrote, apply chalk each & every shot & then there's no edge for "any" brand. Chalk is chalk!.
 
Bavafongoul said:
Like I earlier wrote, apply chalk each & every shot & then there's no edge for "any" brand. Chalk is chalk!.
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Thats right folks, chalk is just chalk. But dont forget, you need to replace your personal use balls every 18 months, even though they only get an infinitesimal amount of use when compared to a commercial setting where balls last decades sometimes.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5636221&postcount=12.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5172652&postcount=5
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5400533&postcount=18

So to recap, to play pool properly, you need to take with you to the pool hall:

A dealer case full of $2000+ custom cues
A new set of $300+ balls every 18 months

Chalk though, the one thing that gives you the friction you need to control the cue ball, you can skimp there. Its just chalk people, WTF is wrong with you. :speechless:
 
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Buy Whatever You Like Since Chalk Is Relatively Inexpensive.

Your estimate on my cues wasn't even close but also it wasn't your money either.
Like I wrote, until someone uses a special brand chalk to exceed the performances
of past legendary players that have yet to be achieved, chalk was just considered
chalk back then, Show me how or where designer chalk actually result in improved
performance achieved with the cue ball. Chalk every shot and it doesn;t matter what
chalk you use. I bought my cues and cue balls because I can afford them. I certainly
can buy any chalk made but why bother when there is no advantage whatsoever other
than chalking less which is a terrible new habit to form. So as I wrote, buy what you like.


Matt B.

p.s I never paid more than $250 shipped (sans tax) for a new set of the best pool balls.
 
Chuck Fields said:
Thats right folks, chalk is just chalk. But dont forget, you need to replace your personal use balls every 18 months, even though they only get an infinitesimal amount of use when compared to a commercial setting where balls last decades sometimes.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5636221&postcount=12.
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5172652&postcount=5
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5400533&postcount=18

So to recap, to play pool properly, you need to take with you to the pool hall:

A dealer case full of $2000+ custom cues
A new set of $300+ balls every 18 months

Chalk though, the one thing that gives you the friction you need to control the cue ball, you can skimp there. Its just chalk people, WTF is wrong with you. :speechless:
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:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

I mean, just ask Mosconi, he only played with $10K cues, new balls every few months, and talked about his equipment, over and over again ;) lol

Of course, nobody in this thread was even pointing to a "chalk" problem. We all know it was "operator error", and the OP probably knows that as well
 
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measureman said:
Yesterday I miscued badly.
I looked at the tip and saw the miscue spot.
There was no chalk on it and it was shiney.
Was this a case of a bad draw stroke or a glazed tip?
Triangle tip and magic chalk.
I always chalk up before a draw shot.

I made the shot but the cue ball did not draw back.
I needed to draw back about a foot and bounce off the rail to make the next shot that would have won the game!
So drawing back a foot was a pretty easy stroke.
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In my humble opinion:

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Regardless of the tip or chalk, most every time I have seen a miscue (me or someone else), it was due to a stroke error.
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Not saying you have or had a stroke error but in "my" case it is "always" the reason. I wish I could say my stroke is so pure that I never miscue but that would be a lie.

In reality, you and anyone watching (maybe) are the only ones that could know. Anything else is just a guess.

Rake
 
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RJ...... it's really pointless to discuss this with you since you'll always opine for your bottom line.
The truth is the truth and I know it disappoints you to hear or read this but that doesn't change it.

For six bucks a cube, people can play with a designer chalk and if it pleases them, that is terrific.
The same thing applies to what people spend on their cues and cues cost a lot more than chalk.

All I'm stating is that the chalk used does not give you "any" advantage over another chalk brand,
unless that other brand is inferior quality, when the pool player makes it a point to always properly
apply chalk to the cue tip after every shot. All the legendary greats played pool using just chalk!
 
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Bavafongoul said:
RJ...... it's really pointless to discuss this with you since you'll always opine for your bottom line.
The truth is the truth and I know it disappoints you to hear or read this but that doesn't change it.

For six bucks a cube, people can play with a designer chalk and if it pleases them, that is terrific.
The same thing applies to what people spend on their cues and cues cost a lot more than chalk.

All I'm stating is that the chalk used does not give you "any" advantage over another chalk brand,
unless that other brand is inferior quality, when the pool player makes it a point to always properly
apply chalk to the cue tip after every shot. All the legendary greats played pool using just chalk!

Nuf Ced.......
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Well, for starters, I was not discussing anything with you, nothing. Not one post. So, why you calling me out, when I was not the guy who slammed you in a post, why not go after him. I was only pointing out how smart and humorous he was.. probably good looking too :)

Actually, all chalk is inferior quality to my preferred brand ;)

Folks like different stuff, but I don't jump in threads of guys buying new cues and start making long winded rants that Bugs Rucker played with a gosh darn house cue and played top notch and took down the cheese, and you should be able to. LOL

Oh, my bottom line is that chalk accounts for about 5% of my annual income working for a living. And half of that 5% is donated to animal causes for dogs and others animals. The left over money is trying to build a High School Billiard program, with the caveat that I would buy the tables, cues, balls, chalk and even the uniforms. They still have not given me an answer yet. I've yet to use even one dime to spend for personal use. But, by all means, support the other guys who don't put any money back into the game... that's always good for the sport.

So, I only used the chalk because another AZB'er gave me a piece many years ago, and I was a customer way before running the "Empire" ;)

But thanks for the bump, every one usually results in another box of chalk sold, so I thank you for supporting our High School Billiard program ;) I'm using the John Barton school of business sales, LOL

If I don't sell another box of chalk, I'm fine with that. I was warned a long time ago not to argue politics in NPR as I will lose sales. If I had to pay the mortgage with chalk money, I would have probably listened. But, that being said, if I don't sell another box of chalk, no skin off my teeth. It's more work than I really want to do, but if I stop, it's less money for my "pet" projects :)
 
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Bavafongoul said:
Your estimate on my cues wasn't even close but also it wasn't your money either.
Like I wrote, until someone uses a special brand chalk to exceed the performances
of past legendary players that have yet to be achieved, chalk was just considered
chalk back then, Show me how or where designer chalk actually result in improved
performance achieved with the cue ball. Chalk every shot and it doesn;t matter what
chalk you use. I bought my cues and cue balls because I can afford them. I certainly
can buy any chalk made but why bother when there is no advantage whatsoever other
than chalking less which is a terrible new habit to form. So as I wrote, buy what you like.


Matt B.

p.s I never paid more than $250 shipped (sans tax) for a new set of the best pool balls.
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I used to play with National chalk years ago....then I switched to Master....Al Selinger, the
owner of Dufferin, found that fascinating. He told me that I followed the chalk, rather than
the name...because of this he became a Tweeten dealer.
In England, I found I miscued less with Triangle...but I still preferred Master back here.

There are several brands I hope my opponents use...chalk can make a difference.

Now it’s Magic I’m putin on my tip. I argue sometimes with RJ on NPR, but I’m not arguing
with his chalk.
 
Most important, chalk correctly, don't grind!

Chalkingly yours,
WW
 

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Hits 'em Hard said:
That’s not chalking correctly either. Too much Mike Dechainr style chalking going on with those chalks.
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Nope, that pattern comes from brushing it on..my chalk looks like that also.
Dechaine is a driller...and a squeaker...THAT’s why Earl wears earmuffs...:grin:
 
pt109 said:
Nope, that pattern comes from brushing it on..my chalk looks like that also.
Dechaine is a driller...and a squeaker...THAT’s why Earl wears earmuffs...:grin:
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Yes that pattern comes from brushing it on....incorrectly. The depth and curve of the grooves formed means there’s inconsistent pressure and pattern to the chalking. Basically that chalking technique will leave thick and thin chalk spots on the tip, with plenty of dust just sitting on top. To many “brush strokes” to get that chalk on the tip.
 
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Hits 'em Hard said:
Yes that pattern comes from brushing it on....incorrectly. The depth and curve of the grooves formed means there’s inconsistent pressure and pattern to the chalking. Basically that chalking technique will leave thick and thin chalk spots on the tip, with plenty of dust just sitting on top. To many “brush strokes” to get that chalk on the tip.
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We in here talking about "chalking". I mean listen, we talking about chalking. Not a game, not a game. We talking about chalking. How silly is that. What are we talking about? Chalking? We talking about chalking man.
 
WoodyMPW said:
We in here talking about "chalking". I mean listen, we talking about chalking. Not a game, not a game. We talking about chalking. How silly is that. What are we talking about? Chalking? We talking about chalking man.
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Don’t act so surprised about the direction this thread is taking, Woody....
....you know the chalking is gonna get abrasive.
 
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