SVB foul vs. Kaci?
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With all dues respect, the shot you showed by Dr. Dave is a much different shot than the one Shane made, and proves nothing. I will stick to my original call - Shane fouled!
It's a different shot, but the same effect.
It's why certain shots at billiards have to be hit below center....
...because top spin becomes back spin when you hit a rail straight, or close to straight.
You can watch the cueball deviate the moment it reaches his cue. Not even hard to see imo. Watch the cueball only, forget about shane and the rake. As you track up, you can see the ball continue on a different path. 100% foul imo.
I think the theory of what you’re saying is true. Perhaps it is fast clothe but my experience is the ball doesn’t tend to take that long to grab. But I wouldn’t rule out the possibility.
For the foul you have multiple indications to go off of. Sound, path change and proximity are all simultaneous. We can explain away each in isolation but in combination they do make a case.
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This.
When you slow it down to .05 speed, you can clearly see the ball deviate as soon as it leaves the rail and then deviate a 2nd time as soon as the CB is near his tip and a sound is made that sounds like a ball hitting the tip of a cue.
I didn't think it was a foul. The cueball never changed speeds even as it slightly changed direction, which could be (and probably was) caused by the combination of the high ball and slight inside spin. I watched it several times and would not be able to call a foul, how could a ref at full speed. I say let it go and congratulate Shane on a great win.
(Maybe the sound was the graphite shaft against the graphite shaft of the bridge as it was being removed, you know, bumping uglies).
Dave
(Maybe the sound was the graphite shaft against the graphite shaft of the bridge as it was being removed, you know, bumping uglies).
Dave
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I really loved what thorsten said about himself a few years back, on his way to winning another major straight pool championship.
He had called a foul on himself that nobody else noticed. Ref included.
Asked later about his honesty he said and i paraphrase well you didn't call me honest for not robbing a bank that I didn't rob.
He had called a foul on himself that nobody else noticed. Ref included.
Asked later about his honesty he said and i paraphrase well you didn't call me honest for not robbing a bank that I didn't rob.
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That's funny. I think the difference is that no one needs to slow down a replay to 1/4 speed and take a poll to determine whether they robbed a bank. Pool isn't always so black and white.
That's funny. I think the difference is that no one needs to slow down a replay to 1/4 speed and take a poll to determine whether they robbed a bank. Pool isn't always so black and white.
Shane said no foul but if it was he would of called it on himself.
Kaci made a thread about it on Facebook after somebody sent him the video but he didn't complain and no sour grapes on his part, he gave Shane congrats on the win.
And said he respects SVB and thinks Shane would of called it on himself if he knew it was bad.
I think Kaci ended up deleting the thread because some of the comments got out of hand Karl Boyes said it was a foul and said Americans players are known for cheating basically calling Shane a cheater
PS After maybe 1000's of comments on Facebook about the shot, it seemed like it was a pretty even split on foul and no foul.
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Shane said no foul but if it was he would of called it on himself.
Kaci made a thread about it on Facebook after somebody sent him the video but he didn't complain and no sour grapes on his part, he gave Shane congrats on the win.
And said he respects SVB and thinks Shane would of called it on himself if he knew it was bad.
I think Kaci ended up deleting the thread because some of the comments got out of hand Karl Boyes said it was a foul and said Americans players are known for cheating basically calling Shane a cheater
PS After maybe 1000's of comments on Facebook about the shot, it seemed like it was a pretty even split on foul and no foul.
Shane was deep in the US Open, playing Corey Duel and he called a foul on himself that no one else saw. I don't know anyone who is more honest playing pool, I would be willing to wager that Shane doesn't believe he fouled or he would of called it.
It was definitely a foul. Before I read Jay H.'s comment, I saw the same thing. The ball went in a different direction after it hit. Jay is absolutely correct.
That said, I don't believe Shane was aware of it. When you're in the heat of the battle, some things go unnoticed. You're concentrated so hard on the game at hand.
Thank goodness, Klenti and Shane have admiration and respect for each other. I am disappointed to read Melling's comments. I could throw a few out there about the inebriated Boxing Brits, but I'll save them for another time.
That said, I don't believe Shane was aware of it. When you're in the heat of the battle, some things go unnoticed. You're concentrated so hard on the game at hand.
Thank goodness, Klenti and Shane have admiration and respect for each other. I am disappointed to read Melling's comments. I could throw a few out there about the inebriated Boxing Brits, but I'll save them for another time.
After watching the shot over and over my personal opinion is you just can't tell for sure and that is after watching in slow motion on a big screen frame after frame.
Live Kaci the ref or SVB didn't think it was a foul.
In the end ike Kaci said on Facebook congrats to SVB great match coming back from 5-0 to win the match.
SVB deserves to win and really played some amazing pool.
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Some of Euros players comments were way out of line IMOIt was definitely a foul. Before I read Jay H.'s comment, I saw the same thing. The ball went in a different direction after it hit. Jay is absolutely correct.
That said, I don't believe Shane was aware of it. When you're in the heat of the battle, some things go unnoticed. You're concentrated so hard on the game at hand.
Thank goodness, Klenti and Shane have admiration and respect for each other. I am disappointed to read Melling's comments. I could throw a few out there about the inebriated Boxing Brits, but I'll save them for another time.
Especially Karl Boyes seemed to be very biased against Shane and all the USA players.
Hats off to Kaci for deleting that thread he saw all the bad things some of European players were saying and decided to delete it all lol ,
Kaci showed nothing but class about the whole thing no sour grapes nothing.The kid is only 19 and has heart of a true champion.
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Sorry I didn’t post the FB comments from Shane, but I couldn’t find them. Thanks to Terry Hanna for summarizing.
No Foul
Anybody not biased or anybody that’s played pool or watched pool 35 plus years should know this is not a foul. Tip sound is different, that was the shaft hitting the bridge and at that speed with new cloth any small contact, especially one hard enough to make a sound would of altered speed and direction more noticeably. The altered path wasn’t caused by contact or it would have been instant not over the length of the table.
One more thing how about supporting our American players more especially one like Shane with an impeccable record. He’s won more tournaments and money than any other player since 2006 and still not put on a pedestal like the fillipine players. IMO he has raised the level of play since coming on scene like Tiger Woods did in golf.
Watch old videos or players that were around in the 70’s-90’s can testify the level today is much higher. More players string 3’s,4’s, and five packs than ever before oh yeah and 6 packs and up too. I believe Shane has taken pool to this level. More players focus on the break and stringing racks which makes pool so much more exciting.
Go Shane and Go USA!!!!
Anybody not biased or anybody that’s played pool or watched pool 35 plus years should know this is not a foul. Tip sound is different, that was the shaft hitting the bridge and at that speed with new cloth any small contact, especially one hard enough to make a sound would of altered speed and direction more noticeably. The altered path wasn’t caused by contact or it would have been instant not over the length of the table.
One more thing how about supporting our American players more especially one like Shane with an impeccable record. He’s won more tournaments and money than any other player since 2006 and still not put on a pedestal like the fillipine players. IMO he has raised the level of play since coming on scene like Tiger Woods did in golf.
Watch old videos or players that were around in the 70’s-90’s can testify the level today is much higher. More players string 3’s,4’s, and five packs than ever before oh yeah and 6 packs and up too. I believe Shane has taken pool to this level. More players focus on the break and stringing racks which makes pool so much more exciting.
Go Shane and Go USA!!!!
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