What Youngsters Want Old Masters Cues?

ideologist said:
Spoken like a true non-player. Wood is an organic material, and different pieces perform differently. Some more lively, some more dead. Certain shafts and butts just make balls for you and play "automatic" pool. Some require more effort and don't feel as good. If a cue makes you work harder for the same result, it is a mediocre cue. I know a few local cases where capable shooters bought very high-end cues and struggled to do the basics, like draw the ball. Most cues are not automatic.

Same reason you see many pros constantly switching sponsors. Some cues, you just can't win with.

I'll acknowledge that a great number of cues today play very nicely and can be used by anyone, but there are a handful that are on another level, and the VAST MAJORITY of the cues out there are not at that level.

If any fanboy posts "well, this guy's cues all play amazing" then they clearly shill better than they shoot.
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Everything I said was true. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, the "different" cue was one that had all the positive "organic" features one would look for..Reading comprehension is a plus. Again, any good player can play with a different cue than they play with now and reletively quick play just as well.

As for the non player comment, well I must not be because you said so :rolleyes:....LOL... Let me know when you want teach me a lesson. I've heard I have a lot of time on my hands.

Now as I've said before to all lets keep this on topic and two for you Patrick, if you can't be civil put me on ignore and stay out of my threads.
 
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The wizard doesn’t choose the wand, the wand chooses the wizard. A cue Player A struggles with can be an absolute dream in Player B’s hands. And I bet Player A would play better with it too if they stopped making excuses and spent quality time with it.


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MattPoland said:
The wizard doesn’t choose the wand, the wand chooses the wizard. A cue Player A struggles with can be an absolute dream in Player B’s hands. And I bet Player A would play better with it too if they stopped making excuses and spent quality time with it.


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Absolutely. Even more so the better the player.
 
greyghost said:
I think a lot of it has to do with youngsters don’t read like they used to and don’t get into history as such as people formally have in the past.....be as it may that is a dam shame and has always been one of the things that drew me personally closer to the game.....the long history of it all


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When I was younger I used to love going into the halls hoping some older players would be there to either play with or just talk to about the game. Back then most of the talk was about who was in from out of town looking for action or who just took off who for the cash. As for cues, even though I had already ordered a cue from Schön in 82' the talk of cues really wasnt a big thing till after I started seeing South West and Kersenbrocks come into my area (85ish). Shortly after I started hearing more and more talk about this cue and that cue. For me that was the start of it all. Then with the introduction of pool magazines into the area the outside pool and cue world came to us.
 
skins said:
Just because a player says they can do somethings better with a certain cue dosn't mean he couldn't do those things with a different cue. It just means they got used to something easier for them. That doesn't always happen that way though.

It still boils down to any good player can play just as well with any good hitting cue period.

There are a LOT of non "technology" cues that hit tremendously...
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Yes, that's true. But, it means that particular cue worked for him better than the other, which is the whole point.
 
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skins said:
Everything I said was true. Did it ever cross your mind that maybe, just maybe, the "different" cue was one that had all the positive "organic" features one would look for..Reading comprehension is a plus. Again, any good player can play with a different cue than they play with now and reletively quick play just as well.

As for the non player comment, well I must not be because you said so :rolleyes:....LOL... Let me know when you want teach me a lesson. I've heard I have a lot of time on my hands.

Now as I've said before to all lets keep this on topic and two for you Patrick, if you can't be civil put me on ignore and stay out of my threads.
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The fact that you dispute the idea of a master making 10 cues, and them all playing distinctly differently, shows your lack of qualification to post about playability or "indians and arrows" - cues are all different when they are made of organic materials, and play like it too.

Some cues just "have it" - some cues do not.

Nothing uncivil at all previously, but your fragile ego getting so shaken by some discourse you disagree with is tragic. Enjoy your thread.
 
ideologist said:
The fact that you dispute the idea of a master making 10 cues, and them all playing distinctly differently, shows your lack of qualification to post about playability or "indians and arrows" - cues are all different when they are made of organic materials, and play like it too.



Some cues just "have it" - some cues do not.



Nothing uncivil at all previously, but your fragile ego getting so shaken by some discourse you disagree with is tragic. Enjoy your thread.
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But there in lies the issue of that ever present grey area where as to one player says oh this one right here is the golden ticket...and the other picks it up and shrugs and is unimpressed

If stances and strokes are argued to not be cookie cutter for every player.....then neither can said cues be all that with a side of bacon


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30 and I would not be interested in owning an expensive custom cue. I don't care what the cue actually looks like. I don't need it to be a work of art, I'd be too afraid to use it.

I think the biggest difference for me is that the older generation grew up with things that were built to last. So if you bought something beautiful, it's an investment and you can appreciate it for years and years to come.

My generation's mentality is more about disposable products. When you buy something, a timer has already started ticking down.

Your product will either wear out, or break, or just plain become obsolete because the company that made it no longer provides support for that product and you have to buy their newest one.

Products are practically designed to break after a certain amount of use. And they are very much designed to deter repairing.

When I buy a cue, I'm not just buying that singular cue. I want to know that WHEN my cue breaks, or get's stolen or warps, that I can simply buy the same cue, and it will play exactly the same as my old one.

It's next to impossible to consistently find wooden shafts that play the same, I think pie construction reduces the issue, but I'm hopeful about carbon.

An Olympic archer wouldn't shoot 10,000$ jewel encrusted arrows that while beautiful, each shot differently.

He's paying for arrows that each fly exactly like it's sibling. And when he breaks an arrow, he can buy more of the exact same arrow.
 
I'm too old to answer, at 40. Still I'd love to try an original Balabushka, maybe use it to run a 100 at straight pool. That would be quite a thrill. It's not going to happen, and I don't have 15k to buy one. I love the style of them, though. Especially the ones that resemble the one in Dan Whites signature photo. Does a Balabushka hit better than a Joss West? That's the best playing custom cue I've tried, apart from a Coker, which I loved (but was very different).

To answer the op question, I don't think any of the young players I know really cares about the old masters cues. Most probably have only heard about Balabushka through the COM movie.
 
Pushout said:
Yes, that's true. But, it means that particular cue worked for him better than the other, which is the whole point.
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MY point is there is NOT just one cue for every player. There are many cues that will work equally well.
 
greyghost said:
But there in lies the issue of that ever present grey area where as to one player says oh this one right here is the golden ticket...and the other picks it up and shrugs and is unimpressed

If stances and strokes are argued to not be cookie cutter for every player.....then neither can said cues be all that with a side of bacon

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The legendary "draw cue" comes to mind, I'll find the discussion about it. EVERYONE said it was amazing. Some cues are just at that level, where they make balls for you.
 
Outside of simply owning a cue as an art piece for future value or as a personal enjoyment of said art, the biggest modern issue with owning a higher end cue is the shafts. Many players do not use the stock shafts that came with the cue, which is at least half the hit feel and of the "playability" we all talk about and people ask about. The other half of that being the balance, weight, diameter of the grip area, wrap type you like which is where the butt end comes into play.

So if you are going to be swapping the shafts made by a "master" for a Predator, OB, whatever, really you may as well look for whatever you like in a hit in any decently well made cue.

I have used a $1,000 cue on a $100 shaft and liked it, and am currently using a $500 shaft on a $50 cue and also like that. Just had to find the right $50 cue feel that I liked. I actually get a kick out of playing with a Revo shaft on a cheap China made McDermott, just something a bit amusing about that.
 
ideologist said:
The fact that you dispute the idea of a master making 10 cues, and them all playing distinctly differently, shows your lack of qualification to post about playability or "indians and arrows" - cues are all different when they are made of organic materials, and play like it too.

Some cues just "have it" - some cues do not.

Nothing uncivil at all previously, but your fragile ego getting so shaken by some discourse you disagree with is tragic. Enjoy your thread.
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What are you talking about? When have I EVER said or implied that I "dispute the idea of a master making 10 cues, and them all playing distinctly differently"?? and that all their cues hit exactly the same?? Which is what I think you're implying...

For the record, not all cues by all makers hit exactly the same...There I said it.. You happy?!.....

That doesn't mean they wont play good though... Good makers can still produce a great responding cue with any materials they choose to use unless of course they happen to run into some sort of weird anomaly or defect in materials. They have proven consistent construction methods that they use and can slightly adjust depending on the materials used...


I think your ego FAR outweighs mine yet you have a fraction of the ammunition to back it up..You know about as much about me and my opinion as you knew about how I acquired my cues...Absolutely nothing....So See ya..

Skins ------------ still waiting for that lesson
 
skins said:
I think your ego FAR outweighs mine yet you have a fraction of the ammunition to back it up..You know about as much about me and my opinion as you knew about how I acquired my cues...Absolutely nothing....So See ya..

Skins ------------ still waiting for that lesson
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I know absolutely nothing about you, yet in defense of your fragility, you went to "your ego is bigger". Sounds like I hit the nail on the pinhead. I never called you egotistical, but "reading comprehension" and all that, I know it's hard for a drummer.

I also know that one of the biggest snobs in the industry tried to say someone has attempted to deflect reality yet again. You can sit there with your con artist ways and stolen cues, bragging while simultaneously playing humble. How you can justify it so rabidly borders in mental illness. Tells us all what we need to know... absolutely everything.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Outside of simply owning a cue as an art piece for future value or as a personal enjoyment of said art, the biggest modern issue with owning a higher end cue is the shafts. Many players do not use the stock shafts that came with the cue, which is at least half the hit feel and of the "playability" we all talk about and people ask about. The other half of that being the balance, weight, diameter of the grip area, wrap type you like which is where the butt end comes into play.

So if you are going to be swapping the shafts made by a "master" for a Predator, OB, whatever, really you may as well look for whatever you like in a hit in any decently well made cue.

I have used a $1,000 cue on a $100 shaft and liked it, and am currently using a $500 shaft on a $50 cue and also like that. Just had to find the right $50 cue feel that I liked. I actually get a kick out of playing with a Revo shaft on a cheap China made McDermott, just something a bit amusing about that.
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Sure. All of the cues I own have their stock shafts. The ones I had built were built with primo quality material . Some of the cues hit super but they have a bit more deflection than some my like. What I would consider as normal. I've played with normal shafts my whole life so it's second nature to me but for someone starting out I can see why they would gravitate towards lower deflection gear. I had a couple low deflection shafts made for a couple of my cues and I can play very well them after a short adjustment but I still prefer my "organic" shafts better ;)
 
ideologist said:
I know absolutely nothing about you, yet in defense of your fragility, you went to "your ego is bigger". Sounds like I hit the nail on the pinhead. I never called you egotistical, but "reading comprehension" and all that, I know it's hard for a drummer.

I also know that one of the biggest snobs in the industry tried to say someone has attempted to deflect reality yet again. You can sit there with your con artist ways and stolen cues, bragging while simultaneously playing humble. How you can justify it so rabidly borders in mental illness. Tells us all what we need to know... absolutely everything.
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Another empty chamber....You're just proving my case Patrick.

Skins ----------again...still waiting for that lesson he knows will never come
 
ideologist said:
Put your Gus up against 15k and let's play a little
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I like my cues. I've EARNED them, unlike you who probably doesnt know what that means.... When you coming to Chicago?

Edit:......15k...thats funny. LOL

We now know youre a comedian...

Second Edit:.... Lets leave this for another discussion and leave it out of this thread... You know where I live and I'm easy to get a hold of. Let me know when your in Chicago and you can give me that lesson...
 
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