What Youngsters Want Old Masters Cues?

skip100 said:
One thing owners of classic cues could do to improve this situation is to bring them to pool halls and allow younger players they trust to test them out. I have never even seen, let alone played with, one of these cues.
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Some definite truth in that. I have played with several Balabuskas but only one Gus. I did not like the Gus to be honest, it was too stiff. I have played with one magical Balabushka and some so so ones.

None hit as good as my Tascarella.

You dont see many of them either.

That is why it has been interesting seeing other players asking about the Tasc and really liking it after it playing with it. It's literally nothing like a Revo.

The market for more classic cues will always be more limited than the market for production level cues. Does not mean "youngsters" would not be interested in them
 
Icon of Sin said:
Id rather have something that I can play with.
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👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I agree .... I'm a player not a looker at 48 years I've age I'm over the looks . If I can't race it , play with it or eat it I don't need it ! I left one out but youngsters are on this site so I'll stop there !!! Lol
 
skins said:
How many of you, 35 give or take and younger, have a desire to one day own a Szamboti or Balabushka cue?
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I come in contact with the age group you mention on a regular basis.

Most would very much rather have a modern cue.

Why? More and more, young players are moving their concerns to performance over looks and "who" happen to make it.

Today's youth do not consider performance just "feel", "hit" or sound. Most younger player consider performance "balls hitting pockets" and cue ball going where intended.

Nothing more, nothing less.

HOF cues are, as they have been for a bit now, on their way out.

A lot of folks are gonna lose their a55 on HOF yes if they keep sitting on them.

IN GENERAL, when OUR generation is gone the cues you speak of will be just another so-so playing cue.

Sad but true.

Rake
 
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Ok guys and gals. This thread is about YOUNGER players... Lets keep it on track. :thumbup:

That said I think comments or theory's as to why or why not will be gladly appreciated from anyone :smile:.

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jrctherake said:
I come in contact with the age group you mention on a regular basis.

Most would very much rather have a modern cue.

Why? More and more, young players are moving their concerns to performance over looks and "who" happen to make it.

Today's youth do not consider performance just "feel", "hit" or sound. Most younger player consider performance "balls hitting pockets" and cue ball going where intended.

Nothing more, nothing less.

HOF cues are, as they have been for a bit now, on their way out.

A lot of folks are gonna lose their a55 on HOF yes if they keep sitting on them.

IN GENERAL, when OUR generation is gone the cues you speak of will be just another so-so playing cue.

Sad but true.

Rake
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Predators and the like being "higher performance" than a custom cue is a function of effective marketing and in reality is a complete myth.
 
jrctherake said:
I come in contact with the age group you mention on a regular basis.

Most would very much rather have a modern cue.

Why? More and more, young players are moving their concerns to performance over looks and "who" happen to make it.

Today's youth do not consider performance just "feel", "hit" or sound. Most younger player consider performance "balls hitting pockets" and cue ball going where intended.

Nothing more, nothing less.

HOF cues are, as they have been for a bit now, on their way out.

A lot of folks are gonna lose their a55 on HOF yes if they keep sitting on them.

IN GENERAL, when OUR generation is gone the cues you speak of will be just another so-so playing cue.

Sad but true.

Rake
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I learnd a long time ago it's not the arrow but the Indian. Great players can play with any cue. It just takes minor adjustments. Ask Efren.(tons more as well)

If younger players ARE moving towards "performance" cues It would be a shame to think it's because they think ALL others don't hit or play as well. Because that would be a misconception and untrue IMHO. Possibly fed to them by whom they surround themselves with or their limited experience with other cues.

If a younger player isn't interested because of economic reasons, personal likes, non exposure, experience with, ect....those to me would be more valid reasons I would think.
 
johnnysd said:
Well you are missing some of the key elements of high end cues. They are high end functional art. And they are unique, maybe 1 of 1 in the entire world.



That has value to a lot of people.



A lot of the value is because of that rarity.



I have a Joss that Dan Janes made personally for me last year. It will likely never be my daily player, as my Tascarella just hits better than any cue I have played with. But the Joss is made with some exceptional cocobolo, it is beautiful and there is no other cue in the world like it. Not 1. That makes it valuable to me.



Just like there is only 1 of my Tascarella.



Both are plain but I feel both are uniquely beautiful pieces of functional art, that are also exceptional tools.



Maybe you will never understand that, but a high end pool cue is much much more than the way it plays.



And yes, the construction of the Tascarella is so much better than some other high end cues I have owned it consistently amazes me. Perfectly even points, super sharp to probably a .001 of an inch. A wrap so well installed that it literally took me my friend and his wife several minutes to find the seam and I am not 100% sure what I think is the seam actually is. A finish that is as perfect as the best french polish finish on a classical guitar. It is simply amazing. And it hits smoother, and with better balance than any cue I have ever played.



If you own a predator there are literally 10s of thousands just like it.



Pics of the Joss and Tascarella attached.
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That is a fine tasc sir


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johnnysd said:
Predators and the like being "higher performance" than a custom cue is a function of effective marketing and in reality is a complete myth.
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Everyone has their opinion.

OP was asking about the young folks. I promise you that better than 90% 9f the age group he seeks will disagree with........ does not matter why.

It is what it is. Period.

Me? I can beat the 10 ball ghost with ANY cue. But most younger players I meet can't play dead if they play with plain maple etc.... no matter who made it.

It's not me you got to sell brother, I'm with you. It's the coming up players that will argue with you and walk off thinking your an idiot.

Sure there are "some" younger players that are like us but, they are are very few.

Rake
 
jrctherake said:
I come in contact with the age group you mention on a regular basis.



Most would very much rather have a modern cue.



Why? More and more, young players are moving their concerns to performance over looks and "who" happen to make it.



Today's youth do not consider performance just "feel", "hit" or sound. Most younger player consider performance "balls hitting pockets" and cue ball going where intended.



Nothing more, nothing less.



HOF cues are, as they have been for a bit now, on their way out.



A lot of folks are gonna lose their a55 on HOF yes if they keep sitting on them.



IN GENERAL, when OUR generation is gone the cues you speak of will be just another so-so playing cue.



Sad but true.



Rake
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What goes around comes around rake.....the vignaux was nearly lost to time and has been making a comeback fwiw.

If those younguns don’t want them I’m sure many of us will gladly take the forgotten


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skins said:
I learnd a long time ago it's not the arrow but the Indian. Great players can play with any cue. It just takes minor adjustments. Ask Efren.(tons more as well)

If younger players ARE moving towards "performance" cues It would be a shame to think it's because they think ALL others don't hit or play as well. Because that would be a misconception and untrue IMHO. Possibly fed to them by whom they surround themselves with or their limited experience with other cues.

If a younger player isn't interested because of economic reasons, personal likes, non exposure, experience with, ect....those to me would be more valid reasons I would think.
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I agree. Some arrows are better than others but, in general a good Indian can shoot with either one on any given day.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with youngsters don’t read like they used to and don’t get into history as such as people formally have in the past.....be as it may that is a dam shame and has always been one of the things that drew me personally closer to the game.....the long history of it all


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greyghost said:
What goes around comes around rake.....the vignaux was nearly lost to time and has been making a comeback fwiw.

If those younguns don’t want them I’m sure many of us will gladly take the forgotten


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Yes sir!! As will I.
 
skins said:
I learnd a long time ago it's not the arrow but the Indian.
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Then why do some players prefer one cue over another? I don't see that statement being as true today or even years ago. I asked one of the best local players why he switched from one to another in less than a year. He replied that there were things he could do better with the cue he was playing with currently than with the previous one.
 
Pushout said:
Then why do some players prefer one cue over another? I don't see that statement being as true today or even years ago. I asked one of the best local players why he switched from one to another in less than a year. He replied that there were things he could do better with the cue he was playing with currently than with the previous one.
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Just because a player says they can do somethings better with a certain cue dosn't mean he couldn't do those things with a different cue. It just means they got used to something easier for them. That doesn't always happen that way though.

It still boils down to any good player can play just as well with any good hitting cue period.

There are a LOT of non "technology" cues that hit tremendously...
 
skins said:
Lets have some more opinions....
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In Chicago, during his time, Rambow was the MAN! But from the late 60's till He passed away, Craig Peterson was the premiere cue builder in the Midwest! He was, 'Old school' all hand made, even his points, inlays with a Jeweler's panagraph.

No doubt, Burton Spain, who I knew for many years, until his death made the BEST veneered forearm blanks! His cues were not all that, he had this not so good joint, delrin material, what they used for butt caps.
 
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mr3cushion said:
In Chicago, during his time, Rambow was the MAN! But from the late 60's till He passed away, Craig Peterson was the premiere cue builder in the Midwest! He was, 'Old school' all hand made, even his points, inlays with a Jeweler's panagraph.

No doubt, Burton Spain, who I knew for many years, until his death made the BEST veneered forearm blanks! His cues were not all that, he had this not so good joint, delrin material, what they used for butt caps.
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Though its not part of this discussion, I disagree that Burton made the best veneered blanks in the 70's+. Not even in Chicago. Craigs were more precise and cleaner and of course overall Gus's were second to none IMHO. Granted Burtons were full splice and Craig and Gus short splice.
 
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skins said:
Just because a player says they can do somethings better with a certain cue dosn't mean he couldn't do those things with a different cue..
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Spoken like a true non-player. Wood is an organic material, and different pieces perform differently. Some more lively, some more dead. Certain shafts and butts just make balls for you and play "automatic" pool. Some require more effort and don't feel as good. If a cue makes you work harder for the same result, it is a mediocre cue. I know a few local cases where capable shooters bought very high-end cues and struggled to do the basics, like draw the ball. Most cues are not automatic.

Same reason you see many pros constantly switching sponsors. Some cues, you just can't win with.

I'll acknowledge that a great number of cues today play very nicely and can be used by anyone, but there are a handful that are on another level, and the VAST MAJORITY of the cues out there are not at that level.

If any fanboy posts "well, this guy's cues all play amazing" then they clearly shill better than they shoot.
 
ideologist said:
Spoken like a true non-player. Wood is an organic material, and different pieces perform differently. Some more lively, some more dead. Certain shafts and butts just make balls for you and play "automatic" pool. Some require more effort and don't feel as good. If a cue makes you work harder for the same result, it is a mediocre cue. I know a few local cases where capable shooters bought very high-end cues and struggled to do the basics, like draw the ball. Most cues are not automatic.

Same reason you see many pros constantly switching sponsors. Some cues, you just can't win with.

I'll acknowledge that a great number of cues today play very nicely and can be used by anyone, but there are a handful that are on another level, and the VAST MAJORITY of the cues out there are not at that level.

If any fanboy posts "well, this guy's cues all play amazing" then they clearly shill better than they shoot.
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I agree with everything your saying except the whole “why pros switch sponsors”......we all know pros will shill any cue for the highest bid end of story.......need proof

Alakazamm.

Behold earl Strickland lol


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