i think they did the WC for a bunch of years, but i might be wrong. like 2002-2007, wasn't that matchroom?
The International 9-Ball Open
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i think they did the WC for a bunch of years, but i might be wrong. like 2002-2007, wasn't that matchroom?
They ARE the MC, World Cup, WorldPool Masters. Used to do the World Championships. Barry pretty much invented modern pro snooker as we know it as well as the pro darts tour. BH and Matchroom have a long track record of succeeding at every turn. Hats off to Pat for starting a new world-class event and i can't wait to go to Vegas for the Open.
Right now, the best kept secret in Pool is the prize money breakdown for this event. I know that the winner got 40K, second was 20K and third was 10K. I think fourth was 6K. Beyond that I have no idea what anyone won. I'm not sure why that information is nowhere to be found. You would think they would want to publicize it.
I saw a picture that James Aranas posted of him holding his prize money check for $2250 and i think he finished 32nd ?
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Found the payouts posted on Philip Capelle facebook page he posts a lot of useful pool info you guys should check his page out.
Pretty dismal, $1,050 difference between 7-8th and 32nd!
I think I see why the prize money was not publicized. The total purse is $149,000. 112 players at $1,000 each equals $112,000. Plus $50,000 added and the total purse should have been $162,000! Remember they advertised 50K added with a full field of 128 players for a total purse of $178,000. It appears that the past champions who supposedly got their entries paid did not contribute to the purse, thus there is $13,000 missing from the final payouts. I think it was a great tournament and I enjoyed the stream and the great pool, but I'm all for truth in advertising as well. Don't make promises you don't intend to keep.
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The payouts structure is interesting, there’s a really small increase for each position until you get to the last four.
Maybe Pat Fleming is trying to make sure that everyone in the money gets expenses covered.
I used to do the prize money structures for Barry. It could have looked like this:
1. 40,000 2. 20,000 3. 10,000 4. 8,000 5-6. 6,000 7-8. 4,500 9-12. 3,000
13-16. 2,500 17-24. 2,000 25-32. 1,500 That also adds up to $149,000.
If you add in the missing $13,000 then it would have looked quite a bit better!
Yes, this is a pretty strange payout structure, but pool has no standardization when it comes to this.
Contrastingly, PGA golf has a defined payment structure in which, if memory serves, the winner always gets 18% of the purse, second always gets 10.8%, etc., all the way down to a predefined payout to the lowest finishing player that made the cut). This kind of standardization is very desirable.
Without a pro tour having a governing body, though, event producers can pay out as they please, and there really are no published guidelines for payouts. The big events in America are all independent these days, a sign of the times and not, by any measure, a good sign.
Usually, I can look at a payout structure and call it either top-heavy or bottom-heavy, but this payout structure was, most improbably, both!
The guys who reached the final day all had solid paydays, and that's how I like it. Top-heavy prize funds always rub me the right way.
I'm sure the guys who came 25/32 were quite happy with how much they got, but the payout for cashing, relative to the prize fund, was way too high for my taste, making the prize structure bottom-heavy. No doubt, the objective was to make it so that anyone cashing would cover all expenses relating to their participation in the event, a noble idea that just doesn't make sense with a prize fund this small. The benefit, though, is likely greater international participation, meaning a more elite field.
Where this payout structure failed most was in being super-light in the middle. The monetary value of wins in the middle stages of the event was way too low, and I'm sure this rubbed many of the players the wrong way.
In the absence of guidelines (and historical precedent is not binding in any way at all), independent event producers can, and should, pay out in any way that they feel will help their event grow.
... but this payout structure didn't work for either of us, Jay.
While I understand your sentimental view of the u s open I disagree that pat should have used that name this year.
After the bermans kept avoiding pats inquiries about holding this years open and did not find out about the back room deal made with matchroom until matchroom announced it pat was left out in the cold .
That was very disrespectful of the bermans after pat had worked hard to keep the tournament going after Barry passed. After finding it there would not be an open this year pat worked hard to put this tournament together in basically a very short time.
After all that why should he continue to honor the owner/ owners of the open by using that name.. Pats tournament ....pats namesake which I hope continues for a long time.
Agreed. Very well said.
I would have also done everything I could to keep the players at the Venue and not give Q masters any business
Jason
My feelings exactly....I’m starting to dislike Brady as much as Danny Harriman does.
PGA Tour payout method: https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnews...purse-payout-percentages-distribution-102486/
If I hit one of these big lotteries there WILL be a few more!!!:thumbup:
Yes. Great job!
Well said!!
Thanks for that. My memory did serve for 1st and 2nd. I think they've used this payout structure for decades now.
It looks to me like it balances perfectly.
I count 113 players on the flowchart (despite frequent mentions of 112). I count 14 past US Open champions in that 113, and Pat had said they would receive free entry (with no contribution to the prize fund).
So 99 paying entries at $1,000 plus the $50,000 added = $149,000 purse.
Yes, but there are no past champions in the International 9-ball Open!
Free entries should be done away with. Pay to play.
Yes, but the economics of the event might fall apart quickly unless he discontinues this practice. Pat is as generous a guy as you'll ever meet, as supportive of the players as is imaginable.
... but his "Make it Happen" events in New Jersey, which I absolutely loved and often contributed to, ultimately collapsed under the immense weight of the freebies (free travel, hotel, and entry to all of the six invitees) that he gave out. He must not repeat this, because his new event could have the same fate if he's not careful.
Yes, this needs fixing now!