For all those that have doubted my ideas to help improve this sport.

Just want to thank you for your service, but first I want to make sure you’re the real deal and not a case of stolen valor.
No stolen valor here. There's no need to thank me for my service I did what I volunteered to do. Thank ones that made the ultimate sacrifice they gave everything they had to give. We honored a local boy yesterday 23 years old killed in theater on October 4th. Sgt James Slape from Morehead City, NC. I still work on the same base I was stationed at.

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If you want I'll break it down one more time for you slow ones. First off Jeff I didn't accuse him of stealing anyone's product I'm saying he bought it and relabeled it as his own. Again this is my opinion since he's refused to provide the MSDS sheet I've been asking for quite a while on this post and another post.

I was respectful until he starting getting upset and lashing out at me instead of simply providing the information I asked for which if he developed the adhesive he should have access to.

Now does someone with an opinion that varies from your own really cause you so much discomfort that you have to ask the admins to ban me? It's a message board a place to have a discussion not everyone will always have the same opinion that happens and usually adults can have a reasonable discussion about their varying opinions. But he hurt my feelings you need to kick him out, what are we children or adults?

Now instead of trying to just jump on the King Kobra band wagon and claiming he's the victim maybe you should go back and read how this went down. He escalated it by trying to belittle me because he didn't like me questioning why it was such a big deal for him to provide the information that I requested. It's not an unreasonable request for a new revolutionary product.

Maybe he escalated this because I hit the nail on the head but I guess we'll never know because he won't provide the information for "his" product. Ask yourselves this if you developed a new product would you have access to any and every piece of information about that product? Yes you would, and if a potential customer asked for a simple document that would make sure the customer could use it safely would you provide that document? I'm saying yes but then again that's my opinion and it differs from yours so its something you can't quite understand.

Again maybe you should ask yourselves exactly what the big deal is with providing the MSDS sheet?

Well good day gentlemen this old Jarhead is off to celebrate 243 years of being one of the world's greatest fighting force! I'm off to celebrate my beloved United States Marine Corps Birthday! Again Thanks for the laughs but there's beer that needs drinking, panties that need dropping, tall tales that need telling and finally those men and women who wore the uniform and paid the ultimate price who need remembering! BigChase out! Happy Birthday to any of you who may be my brother or sister.

Semper Fidelis

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You accused him of stealing someone else's product and labeling it as his own. You've admitted it now.

Is there anything else to discuss...besides what you do to get a paycheck, even though that has nothing to do with your accusation?


Jeff Livingston
 
What do you need my DD214 for?

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Thanks for your service. Happy Veteran's day from one vet to another. I was regular U.S. Army, stayed stateside during 'Nam driving trucks (full of supplies) and buses (full of troops) and working in the supply room. I got lucky and I know it. Most of the guys I went through Ft. Polk with were sent to 'Nam next.

Don't worry so much about Glen. Just let him do his thing and let's see what happens. Talk is cheap!
 
Thanks for your service. Happy Veteran's day from one vet to another. I was regular U.S. Army, stayed stateside during 'Nam driving trucks (full of supplies) and buses (full of troops) and working in the supply room. I got lucky and I know it. Most of the guys I went through Ft. Polk with were sent to 'Nam next.

Don't worry so much about Glen. Just let him do his thing and let's see what happens. Talk is cheap!

Bigchace and I have been through this before, I served in Air Mobil, Armor, Infantry, and Artillery over a 9 year period from March 13, 1974 to May 20, 1983. And you're right, talk is cheap, that's why I'm acting instead of sitting around complaining, and seeking no ones permission to do so.
 
Bigchace and I have been through this before, I served in Air Mobil, Armor, Infantry, and Artillery over a 9 year period from March 13, 1974 to May 20, 1983. And you're right, talk is cheap, that's why I'm acting instead of sitting around complaining, and seeking no ones permission to do so.

Happy Veteran's Day to you too Glen! Thank you for your service. I served with the 387th Transportation Unit initially and remained with the USAR until January, 1972.
 
You accused him of stealing someone else's product and labeling it as his own. You've admitted it now.

Is there anything else to discuss...besides what you do to get a paycheck, even though that has nothing to do with your accusation?


Jeff Livingston
Jeff obviously you don't understand how business works. Like I said I'm going to break this down for the slow ones. There are numerous products on the market that this is the case. The original manufacturer develops a product and it is bought/sold/distributed whatever makes it easier for you to comprehend. By others who relabel it for sale under their own label, no where did I state he stole the product. I asked for the MSDS sheet so I could make sure I can use this product safely. His reluctance to provide the information is why I said that he probably relabeled it and is selling it under his own label. Let's try this you know when you go to the grocery store (chefjeff) and there's name brand and store brand products? You think the store brands have there own manufacturing facilities? Nope it's made by the big guys and relabeled and packaged for sale under the store brands label. So please explain to me how that translates into me saying he stole the product? I'll wait... I will say this though it is kind of similar to Parabond M250. RKC250 at least if he developed this new revolutionary product he could have came up with a more unique name. You know like Real King Kobra's Super Duper Billiard Table Glue or RKC-SDBTG for short. Maybe it was all he could think of after breathing all those fumes since he doesn't have the MSDS sheet and doesn't know what PPE to use. Personal protective equipment cheffjeff like pot holders and aprons for a chef...

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Thanks for your service. Happy Veteran's day from one vet to another. I was regular U.S. Army, stayed stateside during 'Nam driving trucks (full of supplies) and buses (full of troops) and working in the supply room. I got lucky and I know it. Most of the guys I went through Ft. Polk with were sent to 'Nam next.

Don't worry so much about Glen. Just let him do his thing and let's see what happens. Talk is cheap!
Happy Veterans Day brother.

I could care less what he does but when he started getting snippy with me he opened the door and I strolled right in... simple request to make sure that I would use his product safely

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Jeff obviously you don't understand how business works. Like I said I'm going to break this down for the slow ones. (snip)

Ahh, aren't you just the kindest poster here, thinking of us slow ones.:rolleyes:

You did what you did, and no virtue signaling or narcissistic putdowns change that.

Bye,


Jeff Livingston
 
Hey Glen can you bring a bottle of that down here with some 860 HR and demonstrate it on my table?

Next time you're driving south?

JC

Glen, Congratulations to you for making pool a better sport. If you drive to JC's house, you could come by my house also. Good luck!!
 
Jeff obviously you don't understand how business works. Like I said I'm going to break this down for the slow ones. There are numerous products on the market that this is the case. The original manufacturer develops a product and it is bought/sold/distributed whatever makes it easier for you to comprehend. By others who relabel it for sale under their own label, no where did I state he stole the product. I asked for the MSDS sheet so I could make sure I can use this product safely. His reluctance to provide the information is why I said that he probably relabeled it and is selling it under his own label. Let's try this you know when you go to the grocery store (chefjeff) and there's name brand and store brand products? You think the store brands have there own manufacturing facilities? Nope it's made by the big guys and relabeled and packaged for sale under the store brands label. So please explain to me how that translates into me saying he stole the product? I'll wait... I will say this though it is kind of similar to Parabond M250. RKC250 at least if he developed this new revolutionary product he could have came up with a more unique name. You know like Real King Kobra's Super Duper Billiard Table Glue or RKC-SDBTG for short. Maybe it was all he could think of after breathing all those fumes since he doesn't have the MSDS sheet and doesn't know what PPE to use. Personal protective equipment cheffjeff like pot holders and aprons for a chef...

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I've tried I. I don't know how many different ways to tell you I don't have any MSDS paperwork here with me here in Washington state, that it's at the Diamond factory...but you can't read or comprehend. The big reason it's not readily available is because we haven't released the glue to the market yet as there's still some paperwork that needs signing. You've badgered me about who else is using my glue like you have a RIGHT to know....you don't have a RIGHT to know just so I'm clear as that's NONE of your business. You've asked stupid questions and badgered me for answers like, how many 9fts can you recover with a quart of glue, which is typically asked by someone who has no idea what they're talking about, because usage is controlled by the end user!! If I tell you "i" can do 6 9fts worth of bed cloths, and you can only do 3....then you would call me a liar because YOU can't do 6, so I MUST be lying!

And you stupidly knock the model nbr of my RKC250 glue like I'm stupid or something, when you call Chad tomorrow, make sure to ask him who came up with that, HE DID!!! Then you make it look like I need your approval of my glue by demanding that when it's available for distribution....to make sure and SEND you a quart, who the hell are YOU that I should have to break apart a case of quarts just to make sure you get sent a quart for YOUR approval? You want a quart, buy a case, because at the factory level we only sell cases. Quarts are sold through distribution outlets! YOUR .minimum order to get a quart from the factory is by the case price of $300 + shipping! And your MSDS paperwork is included in the case box!
 
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Bigchace and I have been through this before, I served in Air Mobil, Armor, Infantry, and Artillery over a 9 year period from March 13, 1974 to May 20, 1983. And you're right, talk is cheap, that's why I'm acting instead of sitting around complaining, and seeking no ones permission to do so.
How you actually doing something? You still haven't been able to provide the information that I asked for. You've had plenty of time to provide the information for your product. You're right talk is cheap produce the MSDS in this day and age you don't have to wait for the Pony Express to deliver it. All you had to do was provide it or replied in a more respectable answer in your posts and I would have left it at that... but you didn't you opened the door and I strolled right in then all your cronies rushed to your defense thanks for the entertainment. I know shouldn't have engaged in a battle of wits with those who are unarmed. Thanks for the laughs you guys were great and didn't disappoint let me leave you with a little life advice "laugh at yourself, everybody else does"


Happy Veterans Day Glen this is even better now that I don't have to worry about hurting some civilians feelings... got to love a little inter service rivalry

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How you actually doing something? You still haven't been able to provide the information that I asked for. You've had plenty of time to provide the information for your product. You're right talk is cheap produce the MSDS in this day and age you don't have to wait for the Pony Express to deliver it. All you had to do was provide it or replied in a more respectable answer in your posts and I would have left it at that... but you didn't you opened the door and I strolled right in then all your cronies rushed to your defense thanks for the entertainment. I know shouldn't have engaged in a battle of wits with those who are unarmed. Thanks for the laughs you guys were great and didn't disappoint let me leave you with a little life advice "laugh at yourself, everybody else does"


Happy Veterans Day Glen this is even better now that I don't have to worry about hurting some civilians feelings... got to love a little inter service rivalry

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Yeah, you're special buddy....special ED!�� call Chad tomorrow like you're someone important and you demand answers!��
 
I've tried I. I don't know how many different ways to tell you I don't have any MSDS paperwork here with me here in Washington state, that it's at the Diamond factory...but you can't read or comprehend. The big reason it's not readily available is because we haven't released the glue to the market yet as there's still some paperwork that needs signing. You've badgered me about who else is using my glue like you have a RIGHT to know....you don't have a RIGHT to know just so I'm clear as that's NONE of your business. You've asked stupid questions and badgered me for answers like, how many 9fts can you recover with a quart of glue, which is typically asked by someone who has no idea what they're talking about, because usage is controlled by the end user!! If I tell you "i" can do 6 9fts worth of bed cloths, and you can only do 3....then you would call me a liar because YOU can't do 6, so I MUST be lying!

And you stupidly knock the model nbr of my RKC250 glue like I'm stupid or something, when you call Chad tomorrow, make sure to ask him who came up with that, HE DID!!! Then you make it look like I need your approval of my glue by demanding that when it's available for distribution....to make sure and SEND you a quart, who the hell are YOU that I should have to break apart a case of quarts just to make sure you get sent a quart for YOUR approval? You want a quart, buy a case, because at the factory level we only sell cases. Quarts are sold through distribution outlets! YOUR .minimum order to get a quart from the factory is by the case price of $300 + shipping! And your MSDS paperwork is included in the case box!
Glen I'm nobody but you should be a little more respectful when you address others.
I can read and comprehend very well thanks...

Like I said if you weren't such a dick when you replied to my request I would have left it at that. You said you didn't have the MSDS I understand that, but since this is your new adhesive you should have the information readily available. I'm sure it's available somewhere in a pdf file or something because it's not going to be retyped every time someone requests it so it's in a file somewhere. You should know where that is since it's your product, I'm pretty sure I could request this information from anyone else who has developed an adhesive and they would have it readily available.

You get me the MSDS and answer the other question about shelf life and how many tables can be done. I'll buy a case, (how many quarts in a case) and if it's something I can use like I said I've been sensitized to some chemicals.

You shouldn't assume Glen it makes an ass out of u and me! And I have a great sense of humor I can do this all day. You're the one that said it was available I guess it really wasn't ready yet. I asked who was using it because you said there were mechs using it. I wanted to reach out for an unbiased opinion on your product. Unless you only sent it to those who would stroke your ego.

Your words "Talk is Cheap" and you're doing something. So since you're doing something get the MSDS sheet and post like it was originally requested not only on this post but the Parabond M250 post as well. Since you're the one who developed this new adhesive and are bringing it to market. I shouldn't have to chase down that information it should be provided by you when requested, that's how this works. You don't tell a potential customer to get it somewhere else I don't have it. You don't send me to talk to Chad because the glue is in the Diamond factory. It's your glue, that's your job you get the MSDS from Chad and post it as requested. That's customer service and you're not starting off on the right foot Glen... but what do I know I'm nobody. Well hopefully this nobody will make you think twice before you are about to run off at the mouth and be a dick to someone. Or assume something and make an ass out of yourself. I know the majority of you minus maybe cheffjeff and what was it shortbussruss can actually stop and see where Glen went sideways and asking for the MSDS sheet isn't an unusual request for someone who is thinking about using a new chemical product.

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Yeah, you're special buddy....special ED!�� call Chad tomorrow like you're someone important and you demand answers!��
See there you go again talking shit... that's what got you in this to begin with. I'm special I know my mommy tells me so. Like I said I can laugh at myself all day nothing you could ever say would phase me 1 bit... Special Ed I've been using that one since grade school. I know I'm funny but looks aren't everything I can do this all day long.


I didn't demand answers I requested information then when you deflected I asked for clarification.

But instead of you trying to provide the information you sent me to talk to Chad.

I can tell you the how the conversation will go with Chad. I will ask to speak with him, tell him why I'm calling.

You (Glen) sent me to him instead of providing simple information.

I'll ask him if he can provide it to me. He'll comply or tell me he can't but I'm sure he'll do it in a more respectful manner. I'll thank him for his time and that will be it.

Moral to this story Glen is don't be dick...

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Glen I'm nobody but you should be a little more respectful when you address others.
I can read and comprehend very well thanks...

Like I said if you weren't such a dick when you replied to my request I would have left it at that. You said you didn't have the MSDS I understand that, but since this is your new adhesive you should have the information readily available. I'm sure it's available somewhere in a pdf file or something because it's not going to be retyped every time someone requests it so it's in a file somewhere. You should know where that is since it's your product, I'm pretty sure I could request this information from anyone else who has developed an adhesive and they would have it readily available.

You get me the MSDS and answer the other question about shelf life and how many tables can be done. I'll buy a case, (how many quarts in a case) and if it's something I can use like I said I've been sensitized to some chemicals.

You shouldn't assume Glen it makes an ass out of u and me! And I have a great sense of humor I can do this all day. You're the one that said it was available I guess it really wasn't ready yet. I asked who was using it because you said there were mechs using it. I wanted to reach out for an unbiased opinion on your product. Unless you only sent it to those who would stroke your ego.

Your words "Talk is Cheap" and you're doing something. So since you're doing something get the MSDS sheet and post like it was originally requested not only on this post but the Parabond M250 post as well. Since you're the one who developed this new adhesive and are bringing it to market. I shouldn't have to chase down that information it should be provided by you when requested, that's how this works. You don't tell a potential customer to get it somewhere else I don't have it. You don't send me to talk to Chad because the glue is in the Diamond factory. It's your glue, that's your job you get the MSDS from Chad and post it as requested. That's customer service and you're not starting off on the right foot Glen... but what do I know I'm nobody. Well hopefully this nobody will make you think twice before you are about to run off at the mouth and be a dick to someone. Or assume something and make an ass out of yourself. I know the majority of you minus maybe cheffjeff and what was it shortbussruss can actually stop and see where Glen went sideways and asking for the MSDS sheet isn't an unusual request for someone who is thinking about using a new chemical product.

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Do me a favor, call up 3M and ask them for the MSDS paperwork on an adhesive they haven't release on the market yet....let me know how far you get with your request.
 
See there you go again talking shit... that's what got you in this to begin with. I'm special I know my mommy tells me so. Like I said I can laugh at myself all day nothing you could ever say would phase me 1 bit... Special Ed I've been using that one since grade school. I know I'm funny but looks aren't everything I can do this all day long.


I didn't demand answers I requested information then when you deflected I asked for clarification.

But instead of you trying to provide the information you sent me to talk to Chad.

I can tell you the how the conversation will go with Chad. I will ask to speak with him, tell him why I'm calling.

You (Glen) sent me to him instead of providing simple information.

I'll ask him if he can provide it to me. He'll comply or tell me he can't but I'm sure he'll do it in a more respectful manner. I'll thank him for his time and that will be it.

Moral to this story Glen is don't be dick...

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I'm above playing your little games, you'll get the MSDS paperwork when it's ready to be released, and "IF YOU" just means you're not, and haven't done something.

The hardest jobs to do are always made easy by those that DON'T do them!!!
 
Do me a favor, call up 3M and ask them for the MSDS paperwork on an adhesive they haven't release on the market yet....let me know how far you get with your request.
You're the one who said it was ready... but if 3m was pushing their product to perspective customers they would provide the information.

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You're the one who said it was ready... but if 3m was pushing their product to perspective customers they would provide the information.

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"If 3M"....what, are you spokesperson for 3M now, and can say how THEY would handle their products BEFORE they hit the market? Glad you know it all!
 
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