This is getting repetitive. I read all of this and I am a little bewildered why there is such a huge announcement for a product that is apparently not available for the general public. I take it that the product is real and that Diamond are using it. I also read that bigchase apparently won the argument WRT manufacturer of Parabond. So I am neutral in all of this - let's just wait and see how this all evolves once the product is really in someone's hands. Including the MSDS.
For all those that have doubted my ideas to help improve this sport.
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So now it's a game to want to be safe? Don't worry your customers aren't concerned with their safety or their customers safety. Usually when a new product is coming to market all the information I asked you to provide is already available. You said that your product is being used in the Diamond factory so there has to be a MSDS sheet available otherwise it's an OSHA violation. I'm sure Diamond isn't going to risk that for you Glen no matter how much of a big deal you are. I have had numerous salespeople bring their companies new adhesives and other chemicals out for us to try. They always had that information with them so we as potential customers could see what exactly was needed to safely use their products. But I guess since you're such a big deal, legend in your own mind you don't care about the safety of others. Remember Glen you posted this and said your glue was ready. Then you wouldn't provide the MSDS sheet without me buying it. Then when I wanted to make a purchase it's not available. Make up my mind will you, dealing with you is worse than dealing with some boot PFC at least they have an excuse they're young and dumb.
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Thank you, that's all I've been saying! I would have given the release to Diamond to start sending the glue out to the couple of distribution outlets we already have....but people need to understand, that release was put on HOLD the minute Fastenal entered the picture, presenting the opportunity to gain WORLD WIDE distribution, so Diamond and I decided to hold off on shipping any glue out to anyone for that very reason!! I have a choice of slowly entering the King Cobra adhesive into the .market place, or blowing the world up with distribution....which choice would you make, release it or hold off?
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Glen,
Just back after the evacuation and woke up to find the internet back on. Saw this thread and wanted to congratulate you on a monumental achievement. I can't imagine the hurdles you have had to jump to get your adhesive manufactured and to market. I'm impressed and can't wait to see what happens next.
Good luck, Steve
Just back after the evacuation and woke up to find the internet back on. Saw this thread and wanted to congratulate you on a monumental achievement. I can't imagine the hurdles you have had to jump to get your adhesive manufactured and to market. I'm impressed and can't wait to see what happens next.
Good luck, Steve
Glen I work in the Aerospace industry when 3m, click bond, henkel or any other company bring me a product to try I have all of those documents. I'm not a spokesperson for 3M but I'm a person who has tested and evaluated new adhesives before they hit the market.
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I can't afford to make any mistakes in what I'm doing, as the consequences are to high. The billiards industry world wide has no real billiards adhesive persay, but I've developed one working with Slokum Chemical, and if I can just get this industry to switch over to using my new adhesive, and with Diamond being a working model to show its value, nearest I can guesstimate it's worth about 500-600k net per month, and in case people don't understand what that means, I'll make it as simple as I can. With that being MY LLC income, I can do what ever I want with my money! I can build and support a pro tour if I want, and I can continue on and build world event centers to broadcast live events from if i want. I can involve pool rooms around the world to help me support a pro tour, or i can pass them over, like every casino held event does, but my first choice is to bring business back INTO the pool rooms. I can promote and support a REAL WORLD BAR TABLE CHAMPIONSHIP by inviting EVERY bar on the planet that has a Diamond 7ft....over 16,000 of them world wide....to host in house tournaments to come up with ONE player per table, then play off the different regions around the world to group players by their regions, who then are ALL in the money finals....to come to the one region of the world that with the help of multiple bars, all with Diamond 7fts, about 300 of them....play off the finals of the world bar table championships! All of this can happen on a pro level, and world amateur world championship levels....because I own the glue, therefore I say where the money gets spent....or, I can just say screw it, I'm wasting my time, bank my money and retire a millionaire and spend the rest of my life fishing for steelhead and salmon in the rivers up here where I live....and wish this industry good luck, I'm done!
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Glen I work in the Aerospace industry when a company say 3M, Clickbond, Henkel etc... bring a new product to perspective customers for test and evaluation they have all the information that I requested. I don't know it all if I did they would call me Glen... oh no wait they would call me Glen if I was a dick and couldn't answer a simple question about a product that I developed. You keep saying that you're done but here you are keep coming back for more. Quit beating around the bush and provide the MSDS you're the one with the product that's your responsibility to provide that information. It's not my job at the customer to track down your paperwork so I know what I need to safely use your product.
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You're not a customer!
I was looking to purchase your product I would think that would make me a perspective customer. I even offered to buy a case when you said that was my minimum purchase requirement. After you provided the information that I requested and answered the other questions. I don't know what your definition of a customer is...
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Potential customers have to wait until the product is ready to be sold, customers have already purchased the sold product. So, as a potential customer, you'll just have to wait in line until the product hits the distribution stage, then ask all the questions you want!
You made this post stating it was ready. Then halfway through when I asked where to buy it you said it wasn't ready. I hope all your potential customers are able to see how good your customer service is going to be... non existent. Guess you don't want customers
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Here's the proof you can't frigging read or comprehend what you read! You're all about attacking me, that's it, this will be my last response to you, you're to childish to continue this conversation with.
Thank you, that's all I've been saying! I would have given the release to Diamond to start sending the glue out to the couple of distribution outlets we already have....but people need to understand, that release was put on HOLD the minute Fastenal entered the picture, presenting the opportunity to gain WORLD WIDE distribution, so Diamond and I decided to hold off on shipping any glue out to anyone for that very reason!! I have a choice of slowly entering the King Cobra adhesive into the .market place, or blowing the world up with distribution....which choice would you make, release it or hold off?
Is it possible to call the makers of Parabond and order their glue in different colors ?
You said that after you told me I needed to buy it to see the MSDS sheet and asked where I could get it. Childish for asking for information? Then you make up excuses as to why you can't provide the information that was asked for. I'm not childish I told you exactly what I was doing all along
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Dude, lets drop the MSDS talk. When it is ready he will have it. The entire pool industry is a mom and pop operation. Not a big company with 100s of employees and a few dedicated exclusively to providing potential and current customers paperwork.
Mom and pop places are held to the same standards the MSDS sheet is part of the production process. If it's at Diamond there's already one available. Glen could have got that over a month ago when I asked for it the first time.
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Glen, how did you come up with 500k of profit for your LLC per month? How realistic do you think that number is? What time frame do you think it would take to reach that number?
I'm asking because you say from all this profit you will sponsor a whole new pro pool system.
Do you think Simonis and Saluc combined (I believe they are the same company now...) have a potential to earn more dollars per table than the glue? I do, because cloth costs a hell of a lot more than glue, and both the cloth and glue usage frequency is identical. Additionally, the balls are also a very pricy item.
IF Simonis makes a lot more profit than can be made from the glue, how come they don't save pro pool? I know they are the main sponsors to almost every major event, but they don't run the events like you are proposing. Do you think its because:
a. They don't make enough cash to actually run pro pool? (instead of sponsoring events like the do now)
b. They do make enough cash, but choose to keep the profits themselves.
You can apply the same logic to any other large pool related manufacturer: Diamond, Brunswick, Predator, Joss, etc. None of them run the whole show. Is the reason A or B from above? And I personally believe each of these industries makes more than the glue would for installing cloth.
I'm asking because you say from all this profit you will sponsor a whole new pro pool system.
Do you think Simonis and Saluc combined (I believe they are the same company now...) have a potential to earn more dollars per table than the glue? I do, because cloth costs a hell of a lot more than glue, and both the cloth and glue usage frequency is identical. Additionally, the balls are also a very pricy item.
IF Simonis makes a lot more profit than can be made from the glue, how come they don't save pro pool? I know they are the main sponsors to almost every major event, but they don't run the events like you are proposing. Do you think its because:
a. They don't make enough cash to actually run pro pool? (instead of sponsoring events like the do now)
b. They do make enough cash, but choose to keep the profits themselves.
You can apply the same logic to any other large pool related manufacturer: Diamond, Brunswick, Predator, Joss, etc. None of them run the whole show. Is the reason A or B from above? And I personally believe each of these industries makes more than the glue would for installing cloth.
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