Have you seen the inside of a Global? Not trolling, just curious if they have improved at all.
And yes, I am aware you can add the Matrix system to other tables and yes I am aware it has nothing to do with the play ability of the table.
Have Bar Box Tables Evolved?
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Have you seen the inside of a Global? Not trolling, just curious if they have improved at all.
And yes, I am aware you can add the Matrix system to other tables and yes I am aware it has nothing to do with the play ability of the table.
Well then, I guess you should have titled your thread "How has the pay to play system on coin operated pool tables evolved" because the playability is basically the same as it's been for the last 30+ years. As far as the dick goes, i think you're pointing it in the wrong direction, my guess is this isn't your first screen name on AZB.
It wasn't my thread, I did my research when I got back into pool again and found the Diamonds to be the top of the line, then one day I walked into the bar and found a table I hadn't seen or heard of for many years and thought the pay system was pretty cool. Then some other day some guy started a thread about the evolution of pool tables and I decided to give my input
And here we are...Valley tables still don't compare to Diamond, RKC wants me to point the dick in another direction (down his throat?), Jasonlaus might have a date for me (I suppose I should figure out which way I want THAT dick pointed) and Diamond tables are still the best table made (albeit, slightly ugly). Well this is fun. :thumbup:
P.S. Can't you "Diamonize" Global tables? And if you put the Matrix system on a Diamond table has that table now been Globalized? :shrug:
We have some Globals in our area....and lots of Valleys...
...but they’re slowly getting replaced with Diamonds....
...there is no contest....Diamond is by far the best to PLAY on....
...I don’t care about how I get the balls back when I’m trying to run out.
The worst thing about your recent posts?.....you changed your avatar...
Your statement doesn't parse well but I guess you are saying that you feel there is no good reason to charge for games in a bar.
I have not seen it myself but I've been told that in some bars in Texas the pool is free but you are expected to drink.
Is English eight ball generally free to play in bars in the UK? That would certainly make the table payment mechanism simpler and they could start using proper-sized white balls.
We have some Globals in our area....and lots of Valleys...
...but they’re slowly getting replaced with Diamonds....
...there is no contest....Diamond is by far the best to PLAY on....
...I don’t care about how I get the balls back when I’m trying to run out.
The worst thing about your recent posts?.....you changed your avatar...
I wish the old tables were getting replaced in my area, there's only two places I know of with Diamonds and I'm not a fan of one of those places. On top of that, there are NO decent 9' tables in my area :frown: However, there are some decent global tables right around the corner from my work :grin:
I don't really care how I get the balls back either, just adding info for the thread.
And sorry about the avatar, didn't want Jasonlaus to think I was a chick and hook me up with some manly man
This should help - https://www.google.com/search?q=sha...mb7gAhWIFjQIHQ0pA6kQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=937
There are some places close to me that have free pool during lunch (11-2) and one place that has free pool all day Wednesday (Ironically it's the place with those fancy Global tables). The other place has Diamonds but they're not free.
It wasn't my thread, I did my research when I got back into pool again and found the Diamonds to be the top of the line, then one day I walked into the bar and found a table I hadn't seen or heard of for many years and thought the pay system was pretty cool. Then some other day some guy started a thread about the evolution of pool tables and I decided to give my input
And here we are...Valley tables still don't compare to Diamond, RKC wants me to point the dick in another direction (down his throat?), Jasonlaus might have a date for me (I suppose I should figure out which way I want THAT dick pointed) and Diamond tables are still the best table made (albeit, slightly ugly). Well this is fun. :thumbup:
P.S. Can't you "Diamonize" Global tables? And if you put the Matrix system on a Diamond table has that table now been Globalized? :shrug:
It's what never you want them to be. As far as Diamonds go, I know a LOT about the design of them, and how they compare to all other coin ops, trust me on that!!!
The inside of a Global looks like the inside of a Valley, with just a few minor changes. At one point, when I was serving a 1,000 bar tables a year, 23 different makes, I rated the Globals in the bottom 5 worst ever built coin operated pool tables to ever be sold to the market.
The worst thing about Valley tables is not how they play,,,,it’s the damage they can do to
your cue....yeah, yeah...I know somebody is thinking the damage is your fault....
...well, not always....sometimes you have to jack up to miss all that metal....when it does
not give you your ideal hit.
Also, I have some nice cues....and I like to be generous with them...I don’t want my possessions
to own me....but I won’t lend them to somebody playing ona Valley.
Chili...the creation of an author I enjoy reading....Elmore Leonard...R.I.P.
Let me be the first to inform you, the Matrix system is flawed! It's not a system that works for 99% of the bars in the market play for one simple reason, alcohol sales! Bar owners with Valley tables can purchase the Matrix system and convert their tables over to using it, but then they disable a lot of its abilities because bars can't afford to have a guy and his gf come in Friday night, and at a $1.00 per play, stick a $20 in and claim they have the next 20 games before anyone can challenge the table. For about $1800 that's a real expensive coin chute, when those challenge players can't play pool and drink...they leave! When you can set the matrix system to rent the table by the hour, and at $5 per hour, someone sticks in a $20....that's 4 hours of that table not being able to be challenged. Vending companies are the ones in support of the Matrix system because it means they make more money, but at the expense of the bar losing alchohol sales, of which they don't bear loss from. So don't think for one second you're seeing an evolution in coin operated pool tables that is going to catch on anywhere.
Good post....RKC ironing out the wrinkles again.
I always learn something good from RKC...Many thanks
It seems like you’re the only one who missed the initial question. And you’re strangely and unnecessarily doubling down rather than going to the original post.
There were five sentences, three of which there is no evolution of table that is anywhere close to Diamond. Your hanging on one and only question, the one related to how to pay, something Diamond addressed as there are several different method I’ve seen on Diamond tables.
Is there a reason why you so hotly equate “how to pay” with “bar box table evolution?” Please read all five sentences again.
And in the end, the OP missed out on the real answer. But I'll try to answer each of the statements. Maybe that will help, rather than point to a table that isn't even in the discussion of the "Evolution of the Bar Table."
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Great news. Since 1990, most of the bar boxes have evolved. The ultimate is the Diamond 7'
If you consider the Diamond 7' table, no they aren't essentially the same. Not even close. See the summary at the end.
The arcade quarter drop still exists, but a few companies have different styles to include tokens, bills, pay per time, etc. Diamond is pretty flexible as I've seen at least four different methods on Diamond tables (quarters, pay per time, tokens, and US Dollar coin). I'm sure there is no issue fitting the bill or credit card, or any other new way to pay.
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Well, some tables still have the quarter holders, but certainly that's not a normal thing anymore. I don't know that any table manufacturer has looked at queue management. A chalk board is about the best thing available. Got any ideas?
This is where the meat of your question really points to Diamond Billiards and the evolution of the 7' table. Diamond leads the field on this important question. The whole table plays like a regular table. The cueball return is based on an optic system that differentiates the cueball from the other balls, so you can use a real, normal cueball instead of the oversized cueballs of the past.
Valley/Dynamo's cueball system uses a special cueball today with a jacket of ferrous material post-cast on a object. The result is roughly the same weight and size cueball that can be pulled to a return track with a magnet system (a more evolved system than the magnetic return systems of the 1990's. So even Valley has evolved. But the Diamond system is just overall way better.
To your overall questions, yes Bar Box tables have evolved, with Diamond easily lapping the field. If you haven't seen one, you will be pleasantly surprised. They use the same cushion mounting style as a regular table (not the screw-in-from-the-side that most bar tables have), the pockets are nearly identical to standard pockets, there are no metal corners, and the cueball return system allows a regular cueball to be used.
If you have any questions, RKC is your man.
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Title of the thread - "Have Bar Box Tables Evolved", maybe you're right, maybe it has nothing to do with the evolution of tables.
Line three - (quoted and bolded above for your viewing pleasure) "Are there any debit card operated, or Samsung Pay, or other NFC mobile payment tables?"
Seems like an engineer would have been able to figure those two things out, but I digress.
Great response 'cobra.
Because pool players don't care about the payment method or debit card operated, or anything else. They want good tables, and that starts with Diamond. Diamond is light years ahead of any bar table on the market.
If RKC is talking about pool tables, it might just be best to stop typing and just listen for awhile. I don't say this about many folks, but this guy know more about pool tables than everyone in AZB combined.
You really going to triple down and not read the original post??? Why? What value is there in not reading the post.
Maybe it's as simple as you don't know how Diamond revolutionized the bar table industry and you don't understand the evolution they've created. That has to be it. Of course we're talking about the Evolution of Bar Table. You're the only one that doesn't appear to understand what that means. Either that or you're trolling. Just stop.
Read the whole post.
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Agreed, and I had a long post about group think, cool kids, etc where at one point I even thanked RKC for his input, but then I decided I better not hit submit on that one.
So, thanks RKC for your input.
Just because I didn't answer ALL of the OP's questions, doesn't mean I didn't answer one of them, that would be third line down, the one that I highlighted and bolded for your viewing pleasure.
Am I really tripling down? I figured I would be way past the tertiary phase and well into the quinary or senary phases by now, huh.
Oh, and in that long post I decided not to submit, I gave you props for your response, it was spot on and is exactly what the OP asked for - that doesn't mean others don't have input as well.
And who's trolling? I gave input and responded, in kind, to those that replied to my posts. I actually thought this conversation was done until you poked your head in again.