Sure-All matches were streamed and the scores readily available.
Siming Chen vs Donny Mills
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Sure-All matches were streamed and the scores readily available.
Yeah, and what were the Fargo ratings of those women that played in the IPT tournament? The reason I ask is because the top Asian women have nearly a 100 point higher rating than the top USA Woman players. I don't recall seeing the top Asian women at the IPT tournament I attended in Vegas.
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Jason: you really think in 2030 if there is a mixed tournament like Grilled Cheese suggests of the top players from each sex, that the men will not dominate?
Poolnoob: I believe Roy put set 1 on his FB page for free after the paid live stream was over. Idk if it’s still there, and/or the replay status of set 2.
Terry: awesome Siming is in the US Open! Is this a new development? I recall reading the full list before and her name was absent.
Barton: I took your bet. Thanks for the action. I’m closed now. I’ll update that thread with current rankings once per year or so.
Could find it. Possible to post up the link if you happen to come across it again? Appreciate it
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I think terry might be the best bet for the link. I don’t have a fb account and can only watch if someone gives a direct link. It is buried in this thread somewhere!
Ok I have to get back to my life. Ha ha. See you boys on the flip side.
Oh one last I forgot who asked me I think Jason.... I rate Schmidt higher than Mills. I think he doesn’t care much for tournaments and probably doesn’t practice. But if he’s heading into a big match or straight pool competition he will be in stroke. That’s why I bet on him to beat Corey in their tar match and he did. I think he’d be in top form if match was set up between him and Siming, he’d win, and he’d perform higher than his Fargo. But, I’d only bet on him with odds because you’d give odds and that’s how betting lines work
DCC has not yet been able to handle the logistics of getting match scores reported and recorded. We have been entering the match as 1-0, essentially saying we know the score of the last game by knowing the match winner.
Donny had a lopsided win against Orcollo and so wanted his specific match score entered. This sounds reasonable. He knew that and other match scores of his. But it is our policy to enter only disinterested data, that is, data that is not coming to us BECAUSE of its content. One way to insure this is to make the decision to enter it before the match is played. Another way is to enter an entire tournament or none of the tournament.
One other point, although Chen has great form, stroke, and fundamentals, I believe that these things have translated into real skills that have resulted in her high Fargo Rating.
For anyone that watched the sets with Donny, can anyone name anything that Donny was superior in? Ball pocketing, the break, cue ball control, safeties, patterns?
I think that a lot of people thought that Donny's break would be far superior. The first set it didn't turn out that way and the second two sets, while his break was better, it wasn't far better. In everything else, I say that Chen has the edge, even though I will admit that her safety play was not very stellar in the last two sets.
For anyone that watched the sets with Donny, can anyone name anything that Donny was superior in? Ball pocketing, the break, cue ball control, safeties, patterns?
I think that a lot of people thought that Donny's break would be far superior. The first set it didn't turn out that way and the second two sets, while his break was better, it wasn't far better. In everything else, I say that Chen has the edge, even though I will admit that her safety play was not very stellar in the last two sets.
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So far the stats show Donny's break being definitely better, and at their level that's often enough.
Late in the 2nd set, he had a streak of like 6 games in a row, and he was popping in the wing ball
on every break. If he'd had it working like that throughout the set it'd be tough to beat.
Arguably Donny plays closer cue ball position. I say "closer" but I dunno if I could say "better".
She leans hard on her shotmaking and seems content to leave long shots and thin cuts
rather than take any kind of risk with the cue ball.
For example in the final rack, she did this with a hanger 4 ball. I just couldn't do it.
I can't settle that hard on the 6. That's a missable ball for me.
There are like 3 other things I'd try before I just rolled it in like that.
So yeah, I give her the edge in tough shotmaking, and making clutch shots in some of the important racks,
like the ones that stop his momentum and let her get on the hill. She made a couple of great banks,
and she had fewer of those "out of nowhere" misses where it isn't a tough shot, the player just took their eyes off the ball for a second.
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I checked and he doesn't have either set up on Roy's Page.
Look up First Break Bar & Grill and on their page, there's a video of the end of the match
when the score was 19-19. But it's kind of far away and hard to see.
I believe high rock recorded the video and I've been trying to contact them,
to see if they'll be putting it up anywhere.
So far the stats show Donny's break being definitely better, and at their level that's often enough.
Late in the 2nd set, he had a streak of like 6 games in a row, and he was popping in the wing ball
on every break. If he'd had it working like that throughout the set it'd be tough to beat.
Arguably Donny plays closer cue ball position. I say "closer" but I dunno if I could say "better".
She leans hard on her shotmaking and seems content to leave long shots and thin cuts
rather than take any kind of risk with the cue ball.
For example in the final rack, she did this with a hanger 4 ball. I just couldn't do it.
I can't settle that hard on the 6. That's a missable ball for me.
There are like 3 other things I'd try before I just rolled it in like that.
So yeah, I give her the edge in tough shotmaking, and making clutch shots in some of the important racks,
like the ones that stop his momentum and let her get on the hill. She made a couple of great banks,
and she had fewer of those "out of nowhere" misses where it isn't a tough shot, the player just took their eyes off the ball for a second.
I just realized, I believe the first time they played it was 10 ball where their breaks were about even. So Donny probably does have a better 9 ball break.
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Check AtLarge stats thread for set 2
Chen 57% successfull break
Donny 70%
Chen 24% 5/21 BNR on all breaks
Donny 40% 8/20
57% successful break playing winner breaks almost cost her the set. Against higher level pros, she would not stand a chance breaking like that playing winner breaks
Chen 57% successfull break
Donny 70%
Chen 24% 5/21 BNR on all breaks
Donny 40% 8/20
57% successful break playing winner breaks almost cost her the set. Against higher level pros, she would not stand a chance breaking like that playing winner breaks
and still she beat him- When she learns the racking secrets for 9 on the spot and other conditions, she is going to be pretty tough for anyone. She breaks as hard as most pros.
It also seems true what the commentators said- She plays much better when things get tight. She gets lazy as a front-runner!
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It's all about the numbers, of course. What folks seem to be forgetting in this argument, is that there is such a substantially larger number of men playing pool, that until that number starts to get close to balanced, there will very likely always be men performing at a higher level than women...just because of the sheer number of men developing their potential.
It is pretty cool to see more and more ladies showing at up the higher levels tho.
I do wonder why more ladies aren't entering the US Open, since that change was made years ago. Hopefully just scheduling conflicts with other tournaments.
It is pretty cool to see more and more ladies showing at up the higher levels tho.
I do wonder why more ladies aren't entering the US Open, since that change was made years ago. Hopefully just scheduling conflicts with other tournaments.
$1000 entry to be dead money. Highest US women fargo is 687.