Siming Chen vs Donny Mills
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Maybe it's because most ladies are not supported by the state. Just a shot in the dark.
How about I was sleeping
Like I said, that was 9-ball. The first set playing 10-ball their breaks were about even. Gee, I wonder why the game got switched to 9-ball....
EDIT: Think of it this way, with the 1 ball on the spot, Donny almost beat SVB in a winner break 9-ball match. He obviously is a specialist with the 9-ball break -- and Chen and SVB still beat him.
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It's the sound of crickets, because that was NEVER the question.
I will bet that women win some of the matches, they play much better compared to years ago. In races to 9 or 7, there will be plenty of "upsets"
Jason
I’ll bet serious cash that in 50 years, women will dominate....
...and it will be my pleasure to be able to pay cash...if we’re still using that stuff then.
Here you go boys, every player entered in the US Open that is also Fargo top 100 vs Siming Chen to go further in the US Open. Appropriate odds (made by me) depending if they are rated above or below her on the Fargo scale. Have fun!
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=6342586#post6342586
https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=6342586#post6342586
If someone wants to bet on her performance in the Open, then it seems like the easiest way is to bet even money on her average performance in all matches against robustly-rated players. That's a single number to agree to somewhere around 781.
See? This is why we see people like you as chauvinists. Because you are.
1. Women make up approximately 3% of the field in ANY tournament.
2. Women above a 700 Fargorate make up an infintessimally small percentage of the total amount of women players.
3. Given 1 and 2, even if you GIVE the top women all the wins against those men rated 725 and below in such a big mixed event, the women would STILL have to survive multiple coin flips against those at their same rating to get more than a few rounds in.
4. The IPT was played on super slow cloth, giving the men a bigger advantage over the women than they already had culturally. The modern improvement in women's play is in large part due to the changes in the game that made strength less important.
Now.. You wanna bet that the top 5 women don't take a few scalps of VERY popular players? 'Cause I'll damn sure bet THAT with you if such a tournament comes up...
And, LAST, but not LEAST... Being chauvinist about women playing people is absolutely moronic. You should be hoping with every fiber of your being for a woman to win an open World Championship.
Pool halls are closing every week in America, losing young people to video games. The ONE thing that would set fire to pool would be if women could compete on an evening playing field with men.
Let me reiterate that in a different way.... It is absolutely fantastic that template racks and fast cloth have evened the playing field between men and women, because if a woman snaps off a major event, we will see an EXPLOSION of media coverage for the game, and that can ONLY be good. And if they make a movie about that woman's life, and Hollywood puts a big name young actress in to play her? Maybe the next Color of Money?
If a woman starts winning regularly against men and the above comes to pass... maybe more young women start playing pool. And the young men will follow the young women into the pool halls. 'Cuz that's what they do.. Follow the poonanny, wherever it may roam.
Those of you taking a chauvinistic view of women playing pool are really cutting off your nose to spite your face... You have literally ZERO vision for what a woman playing even with the top men could mean for the game.
Short Bus Russ.
So far the stats show Donny's break being definitely better, and at their level that's often enough.
Late in the 2nd set, he had a streak of like 6 games in a row, and he was popping in the wing ball
on every break. If he'd had it working like that throughout the set it'd be tough to beat.
Arguably Donny plays closer cue ball position. I say "closer" but I dunno if I could say "better".
She leans hard on her shotmaking and seems content to leave long shots and thin cuts
rather than take any kind of risk with the cue ball.
For example in the final rack, she did this with a hanger 4 ball. I just couldn't do it.
I can't settle that hard on the 6. That's a missable ball for me.
There are like 3 other things I'd try before I just rolled it in like that.
So yeah, I give her the edge in tough shotmaking, and making clutch shots in some of the important racks,
like the ones that stop his momentum and let her get on the hill. She made a couple of great banks,
and she had fewer of those "out of nowhere" misses where it isn't a tough shot, the player just took their eyes off the ball for a second.
I thought she played it perfectly. I like that shot. I prefer that to having to let my CB travel more than needed.
Like you said, its "shot maker's shape".
As she gets older and starts to have certain problems that cause her to miss those shots, you will see her start moving the CB more.
I'm starting to "have to" move my CB more than I use to as well. It sure was nice to know I didn't have to worry about "nut-up" shape cause of being comfortable with shape that most were not comfortable with.
Yeah, getting older and sickly....sucks.
I'm not sure that 4 was a hanger. It might have been too close to the tit, where she coudn't afford to hit it hard and send the CB around a few rails. I remember she thought long and hard about that shot, so she must have looked at all of the options and figured this was her best to win the rack.
I also kind of disagree with Karen Corr on commentary saying Siming was jacked up on too many hard shots. She was just slightly elevated, and she was hitting those shots hard. I think a level stroke could have resulted in a miscue. IDK, but I see the top men play those shots the same way. None of them seem to level out completely and roll those balls in. They very slightly elevate, and spear it in. I think she played those shots the right way.
Of course, I suck, so take my opinion whit many grains of slat
If it is any consolation to the Salty Boys, Theresa May lost Battle of Sexes v Italian PM.
https://nypost.com/2019/02/25/theresa-may-struggles-while-playing-pool-with-italian-pm/
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I'm not sure that 4 was a hanger. It might have been too close to the tit, where she coudn't afford to hit it hard and send the CB around a few rails. I remember she thought long and hard about that shot, so she must have looked at all of the options and figured this was her best to win the rack.
I also kind of disagree with Karen Corr on commentary saying Siming was jacked up on too many hard shots. She was just slightly elevated, and she was hitting those shots hard. I think a level stroke could have resulted in a miscue. IDK, but I see the top men play those shots the same way. None of them seem to level out completely and roll those balls in. They very slightly elevate, and spear it in. I think she played those shots the right way.
Of course, I suck, so take my opinion whit many grains of slat
I agree. Someone on here specifically mentioned Karen's disagreement with Chen's methodology, and responded with, "Well.. Chen plays MUCH better than Karen, so..."
I have no idea what match that guy was watching, cause that 4 ball shot wasnt anything like that.
Also, he must have missed the bank on the 1 ball, and the cut on the 3 ball to get to that exact spot for the 4 ball.
I'm beginning to wonder if some of these guys have any understanding of the game at all.
Jason
So far the stats show Donny's break being definitely better, and at their level that's often enough.
Late in the 2nd set, he had a streak of like 6 games in a row, and he was popping in the wing ball
on every break. If he'd had it working like that throughout the set it'd be tough to beat.
Arguably Donny plays closer cue ball position. I say "closer" but I dunno if I could say "better".
She leans hard on her shotmaking and seems content to leave long shots and thin cuts
rather than take any kind of risk with the cue ball.
For example in the final rack, she did this with a hanger 4 ball. I just couldn't do it.
I can't settle that hard on the 6. That's a missable ball for me.
There are like 3 other things I'd try before I just rolled it in like that.
So yeah, I give her the edge in tough shotmaking, and making clutch shots in some of the important racks,
like the ones that stop his momentum and let her get on the hill. She made a couple of great banks,
and she had fewer of those "out of nowhere" misses where it isn't a tough shot, the player just took their eyes off the ball for a second.
Do you even play pool? That 4 ball was nowhere near that spot, I would suggest glasses.
Jason
Is video available?