absolutely most difficult shot on a pool table?

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smashmouth

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nine ball scenario as follows;

you place the nine ball and cue ball anywhere you wish, the shooter must make a legal shot and pocket the nine ball in any pocket without fouling

the shooter gets a large number of attempts at your challenge, let's say 1000, and let's say it's a guy like Jason Shaw

how do you stump him?
 
smashmouth said:
nine ball scenario as follows;

you place the nine ball and cue ball anywhere you wish, the shooter must make a legal shot and pocket the nine ball in any pocket without fouling

the shooter gets a large number of attempts at your challenge, let's say 1000, and let's say it's a guy like Jason Shaw

how do you stump him?
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Umm, you don't give him a 1000 shots?
 
Ok, Im going to bite. Most would probably say cue on the rail in the middle of the head rail and OB opposite on the foot rail.

Im going to say, cue ball frozen and hidden by the corner pocket and OB near side pocket on the same side of the table with a possibility of scratching the cue in the side on a kick cut and even a possibility of a scratch kicking off of the corner nipple.

Thats my guess.
 
Hello. :)

This is a great little challenge. My first thought was to place the cueball frozen behind the knuckle of a corner pocket and the (corner hooked) object ball right up against the side cushion about half an inch away.

Best wishes.
 
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I'm guessing he means non gaffed shot.

9 ball on point of side pocket cue ball can go most anywhere.


Rubik's Cube said:
Hello. :)

This is a great little challenge. My first thought was to place the cueball frozen behind the knuckle of a corner pocket and the (corner hooked) object ball right up against the cushion about half an inch away.

Best wishes.
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smashmouth said:
nine ball scenario as follows;

you place the nine ball and cue ball anywhere you wish, the shooter must make a legal shot and pocket the nine ball in any pocket without fouling

the shooter gets a large number of attempts at your challenge, let's say 1000, and let's say it's a guy like Jason Shaw

how do you stump him?
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1000 attempts to make it 1 time with a pro like Jayson Shaw shooting? No way you would bet against him, I don't care where you'd place the balls. I would guess you'd have to place the cue ball deep in a corner pocket, hooked and frozen to the facing of the long rail as deep in the pocket as possible. The 9-ball would be placed frozen on the point of the side pocket on the same side rail the cue ball is frozen to but on the point on the farthest side of the side pocket - so that it couldn't possibly be made in that side pocket and it couldn't be run down to go in either corner pocket on the same long rail, and if the cue ball contacts the wrong side of the 9-ball, it's an automatic scratch. Even the 2 rail kick (side rail, end rail) to hit it is nearly impossible due to being frozen to the facing deep in the pocket. I'd still love Shaw's chances if he gets 1000 tries and doesn't have to call a pocket. 100 tries would make it a more even bet. I see some other posters here had a similar thought as to ball positions.
 
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I can't imagine any shot that couldn't be made if given a at least dozen tries, so I'm not sure there's a stump to be found.

I like this gambling bit: For $50 I rack for 8ball. I call the 8 in a corner, and without using a cue I toss/roll the cb at least 2 rails, usually 3, and pocket the 8 in a called corner pocket within 25 tries/rolls. It's great action. My record is 7!
 
SmokinJoe46 said:
CB tight against rail while being tightly frozen to OB, center of either short end.
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That shot should be no problem with multiple attempts. You just shoot the cue ball towards either corner on the same short rail, aiming far enough in to the end rail with max inside english, it contacts the side cushion just beyond the far corner pocket point, reverses direction and rebounds back towards the 9-ball.
 
BC21 said:
I can't imagine any shot that couldn't be made if given a at least dozen tries, so I'm not sure there's a stump to be found.

I like this gambling bit: For $50 I rack for 8ball. I call the 8 in a corner, and without using a cue I toss/roll the cb at least 2 rails, usually 3, and pocket the 8 in a called corner pocket within 25 tries/rolls. It's great action. My record is 7!
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Shoot the shot described in the post above yours. Bet you can't make it in a 1000.
Hurts my head thinking about it. It would take a miracle masse draw on the level of Semih Sayginer imo.
Or maybe a 2 rail reverse bank into the opposite side pocket.
Good luck.
 
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ChrisinNC said:
That shot should be no problem with multiple attempts. You just shoot the cue ball towards either corner on the same short rail, aiming far enough in to the end rail with max inside english, it contacts the side cushion just beyond the far corner pocket point, reverses direction and rebounds back towards the 9-ball.
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I'm on 867 & no luck yet!
 
SmokinJoe46 said:
CB tight against rail while being tightly frozen to OB, center of either short end.
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I'm having a hard-time picturing some of these shots, but if I'm understanding yours, I hung it the first try using a masse stroke and the english opposite to the pocket I'm trying to bank it to. (1-rail)
 
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u12armresl said:
I'm guessing he means non gaffed shot.

9 ball on point of side pocket cue ball can go most anywhere.
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This shot can be double kissed in to the side pocket it's right next to, or if you have lively cushions and only 1/8" thick pocket facings, you can actually use a power stroke and compress the 9-ball through the point and into the side pocket.
 
De420MadHatter said:
Shoot the shot described in the post above yours. Bet you can't make it in a 1000.
Hurts my head thinking about it. It would take a miracle masse draw on the level of Semih Sayginer imo.
Or maybe a 2 rail reverse bank into the opposite side pocket.
Good luck.
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I think the most difficult setup would be with the OB frozen awkwardly to the point of the side pocket so it can't be made directly into any of the pockets on that long rail.

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Even then, given 1,000 tries...

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legal shot?

Does it have to be executed legally?

If so, maybe put the cue ball deep in the jaws of the pocket (as suggested), so it's all but falling in the hole. Then put the 9 ball right up next to it with just enough of a hair line gap that it is technically 'not frozen'.

Now he can't shoot through the ball, and if he elevates and doesn't double hit the shot he can't avoid the scratch. It would be essentially impossible to hit an elevated stop shot so precise it doesn't wiggle backwards, while having enough speed to send the object ball multiple rails (I'd aim it for a point on the opposite rail that would lead nowhere).

Of course if the rules allow him to push through the ball as long as he's 45 degrees then that wouldn't work. But if it's being played with rules preventing a double hit and requiring him to either shoot away or not push through the shot, I believe this would be the nuts.
 
I'd say OB froze to rail right on side pocket tit with CB frozen dead against it in almost any direction. It might get pocketed hit hard enough with enough tries but this is the 8 ball frozen....so where's it going?

I use to do a shot freezing a ball on center diamond of end rail and shoot the cue ball from center diamond of other end rail and spin it in either corner pocket. It never went 10/10 but 8/10 would get the cash.
 
OK, how about placing the cue ball in a corner hook as PJ has shown, but put the nine ball a thousandth of an inch from the cue ball, trapping the cue ball in the pocket?

Of course, if the rules permit a double hit on a close ball, you may have to be more careful about where you put the nine ball.

(I see Tin Man already got this...)
 
Tin Man said:
Does it have to be executed legally?

If so, maybe put the cue ball deep in the jaws of the pocket (as suggested), so it's all but falling in the hole. Then put the 9 ball right up next to it with just enough of a hair line gap that it is technically 'not frozen'.

Now he can't shoot through the ball, and if he elevates and doesn't double hit the shot he can't avoid the scratch. It would be essentially impossible to hit an elevated stop shot so precise it doesn't wiggle backwards, while having enough speed to send the object ball multiple rails (I'd aim it for a point on the opposite rail that would lead nowhere).

Of course if the rules allow him to push through the ball as long as he's 45 degrees then that wouldn't work. But if it's being played with rules preventing a double hit and requiring him to either shoot away or not push through the shot, I believe this would be the nuts.
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That's a good one - don't know why I didn't think of it!
 
Never mind.......any shot can be made eventually or inevitably speaking.
 
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