Great way to start the NEW YEAR! GC6!!!

[JoeyInCali]

No need to argue with you.

I am not here to please anyone.

Some people like to see some of my finished work.

If you want to spend time taking pics of your work and
posting them: WE ALL WOULD LOVE IT!

I love what I do and like sharing on the forum

That is all I got for ya today you rowdy ole snake!! :thumbup:

TFT

GC6 sure is a pretty sight

P.s. that ugly 8 ball rack will be gone as soon as I get his Diamond
composite rack sent out!!! Forgot the bridge head too , DOH! Had
all the other accessories drop shipped, I said I was not perfect LOL

Nice room.
Love the GC6 look except a fancier looking formica would be nice.

 

[trentfromtoledo]

Nice room.
Love the GC6 look except a fancier looking formica would be nice.

RKC's head will explode, but, I will post more pics as he gets his room completed.

That is the Skyline Walnut/ Espresso version. It is a non- gloss style formica, which I kind of like because it shows less finger prints and is less likely to show general wear.

TFT

 

[trentfromtoledo]

Didn't you just post pictures of a
couple of GV6's you just set up too?

Is this a new secret model?? GV6??

I sold an set up a floor model I bought from a
dealer who could not sell it from his show room.
I also ordered a brand new one and drove both of them
up to Maine last May and installed them.

TFT

Here are all 3 I have done in order:

 

[realkingcobra]

Is this a new secret model?? GV6??

I sold an set up a floor model I bought from a
dealer who could not sell it from his show room.
I also ordered a brand new one and drove both of them
up to Maine last May and installed them.

TFT

Here are all 3 I have done in order:

Looks just like they do when anyone else sets them up. Why should anyone call for your services over those of anyone else....when their pictures of the finished product look just like.....yours???!!!

 

[trentfromtoledo]

Looks just like they
do when anyone else sets them up. Why should anyone
call for your services over those of anyone else....when
their pictures of the finished product look just like.....
yours???!!!

I must be doing something right for them to find me

My client said this to me yesterday: "I didn't want the
installer who just happened to be there for the job at the
brunswick dealer, who does not give a $h!t about the
installation, that was getting a flat fee and in and out in a hurry"

I am very thorough about all my sales, I inform my clients to the
best of my knowledge and I treat people how I want to be treated.
Must be a winning combination?

You and I both know I am far more thorough than the typical
installer that is "Brunswick Certified". You also know that
certification does not mean $h!t...

To re-clarify what went on over the 8 hours we were there, here it is again:

We carefully unloaded all of our tools and laid out blankets in our tool
area, then unloaded the table, unpacked everything, carefully
built the top(lining up the castings so they are square and flush
takes TIME), built the base/ frame, used a starrett 98-12" machinist
level to level the frame and then added the center slate/ leveled, then
leveled again with the end slates on, lined up our seams, then used
3 liquid dowels on each of the slate seams, prepped and bondo'd the
seams/ sanded them nice an smooth, laid out the Marine colored Simonis
bedcloth and installed it using your indexing method, used your french
fold w/ pipe strapping to finish the pockets, put the top on/ made sure
it was square and bolted it down, added lil ball storage box( which installs
weird, but, works!), put in the drop pockets with bosse set screws & star
washers, installed the rack holder & the bridge holders and finally added
the spot. Then checked the level again and made some very small left to
right adjustments.

TFT:wink:

 

[realkingcobra]

I must be doing something right for them to find me

My client said this to me yesterday: "I didn't want the
installer who just happened to be there for the job at the
brunswick dealer, who does not give a $h!t about the
installation, that was getting a flat fee and in and out in a hurry"

I am very thorough about all my sales, I inform my clients to the
best of my knowledge and I treat people how I want to be treated.
Must be a winning combination?

You and I both know I am far more thorough than the typical
installer that is "Brunswick Certified". You also know that
certification does not mean $h!t...

To re-clarify what went on over the 8 hours we were there, here it is again:

We carefully unloaded all of our tools and laid out blankets in our tool
area, then unloaded the table, unpacked everything, carefully
built the top(lining up the castings so they are square and flush
takes TIME), built the base/ frame, used a starrett 98-12" machinist
level to level the frame and then added the center slate/ leveled, then
leveled again with the end slates on, lined up our seams, then used
3 liquid dowels on each of the slate seams, prepped and bondo'd the
seams/ sanded them nice an smooth, laid out the Marine colored Simonis
bedcloth and installed it using your indexing method, used your french
fold w/ pipe strapping to finish the pockets, put the top on/ made sure
it was square and bolted it down, added lil ball storage box( which installs
weird, but, works!), put in the drop pockets with bosse set screws & star
washers, installed the rack holder & the bridge holders and finally added
the spot. Then checked the level again and made some very small left to
right adjustments.

TFT:wink:

Explaining the set up process to me don't mean a thing. But explaining the process with pictures might just show a few other installers or me mechanics on AZ that yes, you DO in fact know what you're doing. And some of these DIYers might even learn how to superglue the seams of the slates if you take the TIME to show them.

I NEVER just how well pool table has been set up by looking at the finished pictures. I can ALWAYS tell a lot about their skills as I take the table apart though!!

 

[trentfromtoledo]

We are going in circles here. To be clear: I am not here
to prove anything to anyone.

Like you(probably not as much), I spend many many
hours on the phone with people who I know are never
going to spend a dime with me. Do I care, nope. I like
talking shop and helping people when I can.

I get a TON of diy'ers that I enjoy talking with. Many
of them find me on here and call me. I also spend quite
a bit of on here with people as well. Do I have all the answers,
nope, but, I do what I can to help others on here as well.

TFT

 

[realkingcobra]

We are going in circles here. To be clear: I am not here
to prove anything to anyone.

Like you(probably not as much), I spend many many
hours on the phone with people who I know are never
going to spend a dime with me. Do I care, nope. I like
talking shop and helping people when I can.

I get a TON of diy'ers that I enjoy talking with. Many
of them find me on here and call me. I also spend quite
a bit of on here with people as well. Do I have all the answers,
nope, but, I do what I can to help others on here as well.

TFT

Just don't make the mistake of thinking your customers are your peers, 99% of them wouldn't know a good job from a bad one. And if there's one things this mechanics forum has done over the last 13 years....is try it's best to show the difference between good and bad work. Even you have jumped on the bandwagon of pointing out bad work performed by others, yet you yourself do very little to show that your skills are at the level of your ability to say they are. Your customers being happy is always a great thing, but at the least, you should at some point in time show you've gained the skills to be considered an upper tier installer, and not just use this mechanics forum as your personal sales platform.

If you put half as much effort into showing your skills as you do in trying to sell pool tables in the mechanics forum, it wouldn't bother me as much everytime I see you posting more finished a d set up pictures of pool tables. All they say is hey, look at me, I sold and set up another pool table!!

Do you have ANY idea how many installers and mechanics there are here on AZB that sell and set up far more pool tables than you do....on a daily basis??? I'd rather see pool tables set up and worked on by home owners in this forum for the simple reason that they ask questions about how to do things right, and don't mind being told NEXT time do it this way or that way.

I'm done trying to get you to understand.

 

[trentfromtoledo]

Stop acting like I have not been sending pictures of my
work to you for a couple of YEARS now.

From cushions, to pocket facings, sub rail extensions and
stretching cloth. Brunswicks and Diamonds....You also have
been helping me learn how to do things RIGHT... I appreciate
all of the help and you know this.

I will stick to my guns: I am proud of my work. You saying
most people would not know a good job from bad, well
guess what: MY CUSTOMERS ARE NO DUMMIES.... You lump
everyone into this grouping of "people who don't know $h1t"....
Most(90%) of my customers are not in that group and the few
that are, come out of it because I explained everything I know
about their table to them. If I don't know something, I find out
and I can thank you for some of that. You have always been
there for me. I also have learned neat lil facts from some of my clients.

I don't post ads in here. I participate and show some of my
finished product and you don't have to like it... Call it "sales" or
what ever you want. I call it participation in the Mechanics forum.
At the end of the day we can agree to disagree

TFT

 

[fiftyyardline]

I think RKC has a point. If I was in your part of the country and was considering using you to setup or recover my table, I would be very interested to see some more detailed up close pictures of your work. Of particular interest would be the bedcloth work showing the pocket work and the pipe strapping( I really like that look - glad to hear that you do that) and a close up of a pocket or two to show the folds.

 

[kitsap]

Trent,

Thanks for sharing! Appreciate the pictures.

 

[trentfromtoledo]

I think RKC has a point. If I was in your part of the country and was considering using you to setup or recover my table, I would be very interested to see some more detailed up close pictures of your work. Of particular interest would be the bedcloth work showing the pocket work and the pipe strapping( I really like that look - glad to hear that you do that) and a close up of a pocket or two to show the folds.

I appreciate your advice, but, I don't really do a bunch of service work and I am surely not trying to market myself for it either. I pretty much only service the tables I sell(restored or new) & install. The reason operate my business this way is this: I know exactly what I am walking into because it was me that did the work to start with. It just makes good sense to me and saves me a bunch of headaches. I enjoy servicing tables I have restored or sold new.

If I get referred by a restoration/ new table client or one of the 3 pool halls here in Toledo that I service, I might do it if the table is something within the spectrum of what I work on: Brunswick Gold Crown, Anniversary, Centennial models, all Diamond tables and some Valley's. 99% of my service work is on commercial tables. I stick to these tables and it works for me. I have to be HAPPY with what I am doing or I just don't want to do it. I could make double the money I do if I would take all the service work that comes my way. Problem is they are JUNK tables with all kinds of problems I don't wanna solve.:thumbup:

I have a Facebook page showing very detailed pics of my work. I always send people over there to look if they want to see it. Here is the page:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/toledopooltables/photos/?tab=albums&ref=page_internal

There are not only pics of my finished products, but, of cushion work, pocket facing work and pocket finishing. That is only Brunswick work. I of course have detailed pics of my Diamond work as well, I just dont have a facebook for that.

I hope that explains things to ya Fifty!

Trent,

Thanks for sharing! Appreciate the pictures.

Anytime. I love my work and people tell me they like seeing it, so I post it.
Thanks for your support Kitsap!

TFT

 

[fastone371]

Nice room.
Love the GC6 look except a fancier looking formica would be nice.

Absolutely agree. Its tough to beat Dymondwood for looks and durability, I wonder if its ever going to be a thing on pool tables again. That GCVI would be gorgeous in that Cherry Dymondwood the Diamonds used to come in.

 

[trentfromtoledo]

Diamond does have a replacement for Dymondwood called Dymalux. Rosewood is good, I think they are not gonna keep making charcoal. It would be a solid choice for Brunswick to do something similar, Rasson did. Telling Brunswick anything will most likely fall upon deaf ears. I like their new grain style Formica, but, a Dymalux style rail would be sharp.

TFT

 

[K2Kraze]

You did say “more pics to follow” in your OP, TFT.

And I’m sure most of us would (think) you were talking about install pics since you are a professional installer - not pics of the Vero machine or bar sink, sir.

To be fair.

I’ll tell you this, Trent - I personally would never hire a table installer or someone to recover my table unless they had recent pics of their work doing so.....and I mean the details. I want a man that is proud enough of his work to share a video or reference album.

Seams
Levels used
Rail and cloth work
Torque wrenches and tools
and......(especially) pocket facing detail.

No one knows or can see these details from a finished install and yet each of them can have a long-lasting effect on the job overall - as we all know and read about here on the forum. I have two friends with issues discovered long after the installer fled and didn’t torque the rail bolts properly and had inch plus irregular spacing on the cloth attachments. But it looked good when it was finished.

No reason to get defensive here, Trent. Be the pro and show us the “pics” that we care to see from an installer - not a water machine. Let the customer do that

But hey - if a GCVI fellow wants to hire an installer based on pictures of assembled tables and referrals alone without knowing what really goes on behind the curtains, then so be it. I’ll play on it. I just won’t do it.

And I’ll bet neither would you.

To many, it’s just a pool table. To a few of us, the pool table is a masterpiece and worthy of the best details. Even under the cloth.

BTW, some display tables my good friend sets up in his store look exactly like that GCVI in your assembled pic - except they have 1” plywood for the bed to save weight and time and transport.

Like my dear wife tells me all the time: pay attention to the words, not the delivery.

~ K

 

[JoeyInCali]

Absolutely agree. Its tough to beat Dymondwood for looks and durability, I wonder if its ever going to be a thing on pool tables again. That GCVI would be gorgeous in that Cherry Dymondwood the Diamonds used to come in.

I love the looks of those black chrome aka piano black GC3.
That rosewood and cherry dymondwood were the prettiest though.
Without aluminum edges too.

I heard Diamond is having problems with the new black dymalux .
Too inconsistent.

 

[trentfromtoledo]

Like my dear wife tells me all the time: pay attention to the words, not the delivery.

~ K

Just in case you missed my description of the install, pay attention to these words

We carefully unloaded all of our tools and laid out blankets in our tool
area, then unloaded the table, unpacked everything, carefully
built the top(lining up the castings so they are square and flush
takes TIME), built the base/ frame, used a starrett 98-12" machinist
level to level the frame and then added the center slate/ leveled, then
leveled again with the end slates on, lined up our seams, then used
3 liquid dowels on each of the slate seams, prepped and bondo'd the
seams/ sanded them nice an smooth, laid out the Marine colored Simonis
bedcloth and installed it using your indexing method, used your french
fold w/ pipe strapping to finish the pockets, put the top on/ made sure
it was square and bolted it down, added lil ball storage box( which installs
weird, but, works!), put in the drop pockets with bosse set screws & star
washers, installed the rack holder & the bridge holders and finally added
the spot. Then checked the level again and made some very small left to
right adjustments.

Here are the 3 GC6's I have installed

 

[trentfromtoledo]

I love the looks of those black chrome aka piano black GC3.
That rosewood and cherry dymondwood were the prettiest though.
Without aluminum edges too.

I heard Diamond is having problems with the new black dymalux .
Too inconsistent.

Yep. The Charcoal Dymalux hase brown streaks in it, some do and some do not.

My rep said they were most likely not continuing on with it.

TFT

 

[Lawnboy77]

Looks fabulous Trent! I love the GC VI. Thanks for sharing!

 

[K2Kraze]

Just in case you missed my description of the install, pay attention to these words

We carefully unloaded all of our tools and laid out blankets in our tool
area, then unloaded the table, unpacked everything, carefully
built the top(lining up the castings so they are square and flush
takes TIME), built the base/ frame, used a starrett 98-12" machinist
level to level the frame and then added the center slate/ leveled, then
leveled again with the end slates on, lined up our seams, then used
3 liquid dowels on each of the slate seams, prepped and bondo'd the
seams/ sanded them nice an smooth, laid out the Marine colored Simonis
bedcloth and installed it using your indexing method, used your french
fold w/ pipe strapping to finish the pockets, put the top on/ made sure
it was square and bolted it down, added lil ball storage box( which installs
weird, but, works!), put in the drop pockets with bosse set screws & star
washers, installed the rack holder & the bridge holders and finally added
the spot. Then checked the level again and made some very small left to
right adjustments.

Here are the 3 GC6's I have installed

Maybe you didn’t read through all of MY post, Trent.

Words are not “more pics to follow”.

As for pics of finished assembly GCs, well, those are great for the table manufactures - but do nothing for a pro installer.

And you know it.

Why not say “thanks for the suggestions and ideas, my fellow AZBers, I’ll give these gems some consideration.”?

Only trying to help with constructive feedback, Trent. No charge either.

~ K.