Vegas was still booking the Challenge of Champions and setting money odds on the players after 1991 when Mike Lebron won.
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Vegas was still booking the Challenge of Champions and setting money odds on the players after 1991 when Mike Lebron won.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
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If I had known . . . Apparently, this matter has been discussed on AZB before. I was not sure it was anywhere near true.
If I had known . . . Apparently, this matter has been discussed on AZB before. I was not sure it was anywhere near true.
The Mirage wasn't.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
A local sport book employee, who says he worked in Las Vegas for over 20 years, said that he had never heard of a bet on pool and cited "lack of interest". When I related it to him, he had never heard the "dump" story.
At 20-1 you get to a million very quickly.
At 20-1 you get to a million very quickly.
I didn't say they were.
Buncha pool playuhs pull stickup at Vegas casino live to tell about it.
What's wrong with this picture?
What's wrong with this picture?
Implying 1m split up by a buncha broke people would cause anything other than the end of further opportunities to do the same?
Actually, if he had met all the criteria that Guinness spells out for a record to be listed in their book, yes.
Running the tape (who knows at what speed and with how much attention to detail) past two guys at the BCA who, as you put it, "cant run 2 racks of balls" doesn't amount to much of a "certification."
Lou Figueroa
Well lemme tellya how it woiks in da movies...
The story is true.
Pool players, even professional pool players, have a long history of doing anything for a buck. And yet, there are those that want to bestow Papal Infallibility to some players and not question the legitimacy of their accomplishments, preferring instead to wring their hands while moaning about appearances in pool.
What a laugh. Freddy the Beard wrote an entire book, "The Encyclopedia of Pool Hustlers" documenting how far some pool players would go for a profitable con.
Lou Figueroa
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Ha Ha,,, Freddy the Bread. Good one, that gave me a good chuckle. Guess spell check doesn't know about The Beard.
Papal infallibility might be a bit of a stretch, but JS making all this up to basically make nothing monetarily from the accomplishment,,,, doesn't pass the sniff test to me.
I could see trying something a bit shady to get the inside line on winning lotto numbers, but I think we can all agree that even now running 727 balls won't be a financial windfall.
Biloxi Boy
Man With A Golden Arm
Did the casino book pay or not?
I also read that only 11 bets were placed with a payout of 44K. Why dump a first place prize of 50K for 44K in bets? Can't be the whole story.
I also read that only 11 bets were placed with a payout of 44K. Why dump a first place prize of 50K for 44K in bets? Can't be the whole story.
Haven't boxers dumped since the beginning of time, even before pool players? They get Vegas odds on every fight. I think its not booked for the same reason its not on TV, and the general public never watches it: Its boring, hence no casual fans/betters. Simple as that.
14.1 is my favorite pool game. But the reality is that none of the US pool games are super compelling on TV or as a spectator sport. Cross the pond and Snooker is absolutely captivating and easy to follow both as a spectator and on TV. Pool needs a new game in my opinion to every really be succesfull. I don't think an American Snooker tour is a viable idea, but there needs to be invented a new game for it to take off as a spectator sport.
same people
The same people rigging the bet were cutting up the prize money too no doubt. They got both. Plus, the bet in terms of dollars was an absolute no risk thing.
The amount of the score wasn't huge in Vegas terms even back then. However, ripping off these guys is a guaranteed way to piss them off and people have swam with the fishies for a lot less. They don't like being played for fools any more than anyone else does. A friend's brother died for a $2000 bad poker debt to some good hands people. They weren't even out of pocket there, just couldn't collect winnings. When my friend came home upset and confronted the wrong people about it he was cut up so badly he spent six months in the hospital.
Hu
The same people rigging the bet were cutting up the prize money too no doubt. They got both. Plus, the bet in terms of dollars was an absolute no risk thing.
The amount of the score wasn't huge in Vegas terms even back then. However, ripping off these guys is a guaranteed way to piss them off and people have swam with the fishies for a lot less. They don't like being played for fools any more than anyone else does. A friend's brother died for a $2000 bad poker debt to some good hands people. They weren't even out of pocket there, just couldn't collect winnings. When my friend came home upset and confronted the wrong people about it he was cut up so badly he spent six months in the hospital.
Hu
duly noted
It might be duly noted that when I played my last TAR match with none other than j.s. - during the one pocket leg (held in North KC at Side Pockets bar and grill) I decide to take a restroom break after just pocketing three balls, I left the balls in the ball return. When I returned j.s. had stolen the three from the ball return and placed them in his pockets ball counting tray (just as I thought would happen). It was being filmed and I knew if he tried it - his larceny would fail. My sponsor and owner of Side Pockets told me John just stole three balls, I saw the infraction and questioned John as to why he chose take those balls (as I was the last one at the table). His reply was "I just saw a few balls down there and assumed they were mine".
Thieves are oppurtunist in nature - j.s. and bca have seen another opportunity i guess, now they think it's time to try and steal the greatest American Pocket Billiard record in history - Willie Mosconi's 526 - and not even show verifiable evidence - what an atrocity this could end up being for the corrupt crew that are involved. What a news cluster this is for the Pocket Billiard world. The people who share the info that j.s. has surpassed Mosconi's record are also to blame for spreading irresponsible journalism. They are trampling on the greatest Pocket Billiard sports history record. I see Dan Barouty is employed at easy street billiards ( i wonder if Dan will cover for Schmidt's chopped video of great corruption)?
It might be duly noted that when I played my last TAR match with none other than j.s. - during the one pocket leg (held in North KC at Side Pockets bar and grill) I decide to take a restroom break after just pocketing three balls, I left the balls in the ball return. When I returned j.s. had stolen the three from the ball return and placed them in his pockets ball counting tray (just as I thought would happen). It was being filmed and I knew if he tried it - his larceny would fail. My sponsor and owner of Side Pockets told me John just stole three balls, I saw the infraction and questioned John as to why he chose take those balls (as I was the last one at the table). His reply was "I just saw a few balls down there and assumed they were mine".
Thieves are oppurtunist in nature - j.s. and bca have seen another opportunity i guess, now they think it's time to try and steal the greatest American Pocket Billiard record in history - Willie Mosconi's 526 - and not even show verifiable evidence - what an atrocity this could end up being for the corrupt crew that are involved. What a news cluster this is for the Pocket Billiard world. The people who share the info that j.s. has surpassed Mosconi's record are also to blame for spreading irresponsible journalism. They are trampling on the greatest Pocket Billiard sports history record. I see Dan Barouty is employed at easy street billiards ( i wonder if Dan will cover for Schmidt's chopped video of great corruption)?
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yep
What is clear to me is that not all that glistens - is gold. j.s and bca's failure to show unedited video has nothing to do with any of those three facets u mentioned above. That is purty' clear to anyone who has the ability to think logically p.j.
u might call that taking a closer look - and yea it does look ugly. The fake news journalists can run their 'story' now lets see how long they can hide.
What is clear to me is that not all that glistens - is gold. j.s and bca's failure to show unedited video has nothing to do with any of those three facets u mentioned above. That is purty' clear to anyone who has the ability to think logically p.j.
u might call that taking a closer look - and yea it does look ugly. The fake news journalists can run their 'story' now lets see how long they can hide.
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