True, but most don’t understand the distinction between the putter and the anchoring....
The point remains. Hell even the size of the ball as allowed has changed over the years.
should pro tournaments ban the jump cue?
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The point remains. Hell even the size of the ball as allowed has changed over the years.
i have seen tournaments with that rule, WPS i think had it. yes, it makes sense (to me). but does this halfway rule make any sense to the occasional fan or newcomer to the sport? i think it may be just complicating it further
The 2 cue only rule was active on a series of tournaments I wanted to play in forever ago. At the same time I was in the market for a breaker, so I opted to buy a jump/break and have had it in the bag ever since. The jumper has no where near the ability of the purpose built jumpers these days, but I'm fairly deadly with it. Almost useless within a handful of inches but the distance control allows me to drop within gaps that most wouldn't even consider.
Although the disbelief I have seen on those watching me play into snookers during pattern play is worth the price of admission. If I had to make a choice to allow the continued use of jumpers in tournaments, it would be this...
It would raise some interesting qualifying rules though... What is a snooker...? Full ball, or any part of the ball...? I would say the situations I put myself into that then require a jumper, are small (hop the obstruction edge) types of jumps. I can hit the ball normally, but need a bit more to pot it.
I'm guessing the best way to manage it, is to just say that the jump cue can only be used on the first shot at the table. In theory that would allow an opportunity to overcome your opponent's safety, but not allow you to compensate for your own "mistakes".
Yup, that's what I advocated in post #73 to the last detail, assuming you mean the first shot of every turn.
I had 4 jumps in a league match last night. Hit all 4 and sank 2 of them. Probably would’ve only hit 2 by kicking, with less control of the cueball after...
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Haters gonna hate.
Funny, I hit 2 in league last night. Both obstructions were my own balls (8 ball) but the jump opened up the table significantlyI had 4 jumps in a league match last night. Hit all 4 and sank 2 of them. Probably would’ve only hit 2 by kicking, with less control of the cueball after...
Haters gonna hate.
Yet another reason where limiting the use of the jump stick lessens the potential dynamics of the game
That's like saying people who are shot should duck faster.
Simply making a legal hit using a jump cue is a huge advantage, the ball pocketing of position of a jump is a whole other level of ability that just piles on the jump cue unfairness. The point is that it makes jumping too easy every for amateurs, never mind using it at a high level tournament. There is no argument that can ever get past that, it's too easy using a short light cue and it lessens the game due to that fact. Jump with a playing cue or with a full size second cue you have setup for breaking or whatever, cues should have a much stricter length and weight limit.
Jump rods were banned some time ago. Should they be allowed now? About 18 inches long.
Some of us can get out without needing a jump cue. The dynamics of the game were just fine before and after the jump cue. One question - which league are you playing in, that allows jump cues? Local leagues in Ontario? OPPL doesn't allow them. Neither does the CPA. Is this a house league? Masters is played on weekends.
I have some obstructions around my table that can't be moved. I don't play much with the short stick so I started finishing out the game with the short cue just for practice if I have to break it out. Might be entertaining to make a rule of one cue change per game. Now, how badly did you really want to jump that ball?
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I have been thinking about making a 14-16" jump rod, stretch a piece of chamous over the end for a tip, and add foam to reach minimum legal length! Wonder how high my opponent would jump!
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Cute... Guess I'm just one of the unfortunate few that desperately needs the assistance of a short cue merely to hope to win a game or two...lol
I play in CCS (ACS) and CPA Masters. Never heard of the OPPL...
Including length beyond 60"...
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don't see why it wouldn't be legal. but it illustrates a good point and that is that, unless specified, a pool shark would try anything to get an advantage. when the IPT was launched they had forgot to write the one foot on the floor rule. didn't take long til they had pro players (won't name names but mosconi cup team members) climbing on all four on the tables
i bought the best jump cue i ever wielded some months ago, i can jump over close balls like never before. i still want them banned
I know I am gonna get murdered for this comment but ohh well. lol There was a post earlier about how jump cues have made jumping easy. That is absolutely true. I have taught a crap ton of people how to jump, and its always with a jump cue. However, jumping is actually harder than kicking. (braces for impact) Now hear me out why I say this. Like I stated before, I teach jump lessons. It is more about your fundamentals than it is the cue. If you have good fundamentals, you can jump with any jump cue. If you don't have good fundamentals, it doesn't matter what jump cue you use. My schtick is that I can teach 95% of pool players to dart jump in 10 minutes or less. The reason I say that is there are certain people that I have worked with that just don't have the stroke. However, that person that doesn't have the stroke to jump has the stroke to kick since it is the same stroke as just playing. So from this aspect, meaning the physical aspect of it, jumping is harder that kicking. Everyone can kick, not everyone can jump.
And since I typed this out I will add that I do agree that if the goal is to make the ball, jumping is more accurate. For example. The object ball is 2 diamonds up the long rail and 1 1/2 diamonds out. The cue ball is 4 diamonds up table and in a straight line with the object ball. If you take someone that kicks well to do one or two rail kicks, chances are they won't make that ball no more than 2 out of 10 if they are lucky. You take someone who is a decent to good jumper and they may make the ball between 5 and 7 out of 10.
However I do feel people need to know how to kick since you won't be able to always use the jump cue, whether due to rules or table positioning.
And since I typed this out I will add that I do agree that if the goal is to make the ball, jumping is more accurate. For example. The object ball is 2 diamonds up the long rail and 1 1/2 diamonds out. The cue ball is 4 diamonds up table and in a straight line with the object ball. If you take someone that kicks well to do one or two rail kicks, chances are they won't make that ball no more than 2 out of 10 if they are lucky. You take someone who is a decent to good jumper and they may make the ball between 5 and 7 out of 10.
However I do feel people need to know how to kick since you won't be able to always use the jump cue, whether due to rules or table positioning.
