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atlas333

atlas333

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I just signed up for a subscription to Fargorate for a yearly membership for $12.99. This seems super reasonable to me and I want to encourage everyone to do the same. Anyone who is trying to do positive things for Pool deserves our support and with such a reasonable fee there is little excuse not to. This came up because I was visiting my brother over the weekend and talking Pool knowing that he know zero about pool. But since he is a numbers guy he loved seeing the Fargorate app and what it showed and what could be learned about worldwide pool from it. He was also very interested to learn that women can compete with men in pool and that this is one of the few international sports where this is true. That topic came up after we were discussing "The Queens Gambit".
Anyway I just wanted to encourage anyone who has not sent his $12.99 to Fargorate to please do so and let's try to join together for the betterment of Pool.
Paul
 
atlas333 said:
I just signed up for a subscription to Fargorate for a yearly membership for $12.99. This seems super reasonable to me and I want to encourage everyone to do the same. Anyone who is trying to do positive things for Pool deserves our support and with such a reasonable fee there is little excuse not to. This came up because I was visiting my brother over the weekend and talking Pool knowing that he know zero about pool. But since he is a numbers guy he loved seeing the Fargorate app and what it showed and what could be learned about worldwide pool from it. He was also very interested to learn that women can compete with men in pool and that this is one of the few international sports where this is true. That topic came up after we were discussing "The Queens Gambit".
Anyway I just wanted to encourage anyone who has not sent his $12.99 to Fargorate to please do so and let's try to join together for the betterment of Pool.
Paul
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Until now, the only way to compete in FargoRate games was to play in FargoRate tournaments or leagues.
The next step is to download the Salotto app and link your FargoRate account to it. Then you can play ranked matches with any opponent you choose, anytime you want, from any pool table you want (including your home pool table) and the games are tracked and scored in FargoRate directly!
 
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I bought it 1.5 years ago, for a couple reasons: 1: to support the effort. 2, to have better visibility of matches, and to search out head to head competitions, etc. I did NOT renew it after the year was up. It offered no extra value to me than the free web-based version. I was actually quite disappointed.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I bought it 1.5 years ago, for a couple reasons: 1: to support the effort. 2, to have better visibility of matches, and to search out head to head competitions, etc. I did NOT renew it after the year was up. It offered no extra value to me than the free web-based version. I was actually quite disappointed.
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FargoRate launched a new app version a few months ago. The updated app has an odds calculator which I find to be very useful. You plug in your current Fargo score and the score of your opponent. It will calculate the odds of you winning the match based on how many games you play. I find this tool extremely useful when trying to accurately match up with someone you haven't played before.
 
aaronataylor said:
Until now, the only way to compete in FargoRate games was to play in FargoRate tournaments or leagues.
The next step is to download the Salotto app and link your FargoRate account to it. Then you can play ranked matches with any opponent you choose, anytime you want, from any pool table you want (including your home pool table) and the games are tracked and scored in FargoRate directly!
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I still haven’t heard any explanation as to how that type of self reporting wouldn’t allow for the potential of enormous manipulation and sandbagging...

It’s certainly happened in golf, despite very strict requirements for reporting scores and more oversight than appears to be here.
 
David in FL said:
I still haven’t heard any explanation as to how that type of self reporting wouldn’t allow for the potential of enormous manipulation and sandbagging...

It’s certainly happened in golf, despite very strict requirements for reporting scores and more oversight than appears to be here.
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I think it isnt as easy to do in pool vs golf. I think with golf its more the player vs the course where in pool its player vs player, if one person takes a nose dive to sandbag it will cause someone else's Fargo number to artificially inflate.
 
David in FL said:
I still haven’t heard any explanation as to how that type of self reporting wouldn’t allow for the potential of enormous manipulation and sandbagging...

It’s certainly happened in golf, despite very strict requirements for reporting scores and more oversight than appears to be here.
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Mike Page has addressed this concern and says he is confident this isn't a problem.
 
Does the paid subscription have more features than what you get if you're in a league that uses the Fargorate system? I play in the USAPL and noticed that the Fargorate app was recently updated and shows a little more info about recent rating trends and performance against the various rating classes (300, 400, 500, etc.). I just wish it would show more than just my 6 month and 12 month rating changes like it does now. Maybe something more like a stock chart with 6 mo, 1 yr, 2yr, 5 yr, ITD, etc.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I bought it 1.5 years ago, for a couple reasons: 1: to support the effort. 2, to have better visibility of matches, and to search out head to head competitions, etc. I did NOT renew it after the year was up. It offered no extra value to me than the free web-based version. I was actually quite disappointed.
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I was saying to support them for a low price just to support Pool even if you feel like you won't personally benefit from it.
 
David in FL said:
I still haven’t heard any explanation as to how that type of self reporting wouldn’t allow for the potential of enormous manipulation and sandbagging...

It’s certainly happened in golf, despite very strict requirements for reporting scores and more oversight than appears to be here.
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I'm thinking that the more support they receive the better the App will be and the more new and innovative the features will be.
 
fastone371 said:
I think it isnt as easy to do in pool vs golf. I think with golf its more the player vs the course where in pool its player vs player, if one person takes a nose dive to sandbag it will cause someone else's Fargo number to artificially inflate.
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If that someone else doesn’t care about his own Fargorate it won’t matter. Heck, it wouldn’t be hard to have people who don‘t even play much, if any pool entered into the system...

aaronataylor said:
Mike Page has addressed this concern and says he is confident this isn't a problem.
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I remember that he said he’s confident there isn’t a problem, but I don’t remember seeing any explanation as to why. Can you link me to it if I missed it?
 
David in FL said:
If that someone else doesn’t care about his own Fargorate it won’t matter. Heck, it wouldn’t be hard to have people who don‘t even play much, if any pool entered into the system...



I remember that he said he’s confident there isn’t a problem, but I don’t remember seeing any explanation as to why. Can you link me to it if I missed it?
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I can't find the link, but I remember watching a video on Facebook from Mike Page about it a few weeks ago.

Here's my take on it, I don't have a clear understanding of the intricate algorithm Mike and his team created to calculate scores accurately in FargoRate, but I trust their math, regardless. If Mike says the Salotto/FargoRate game reporting is safe and accurate, that's good enough for me.
 
For the reader who asked if there is a difference between the paid subscription and what they get from league, there isn't (at least that is what was announced originally). Your league membership pays for the app. If you aren't in league, then you need the paid subscription.

From Mike Page: Salotto and FargoRate Data Integrity

Using Salotto to enter matches into Fargo
 
so people pay and only after input data 200 times, then they can win in fargo tournaments.
You might as well call it social security. (it was an exaggeration)

a gentler way to put it is, you get a chance to win something after not winning anything for 200 times. guaranteed losers on a subscription.

this is critical and harsh but lets debate.

$12 may not sound like much. Fargorate is nice and the promo is helping the sport. But I will be critical with clear logic.

AZBilliards is free and no user has ever pushed for increase to Gold subscription. This community has survived longer than others.

Rating system have come and gone plenty
 
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justnum said:
so people pay and only after input data 200 times, then they can win in fargo tournaments.
You might as well call it social security. (it was an exaggeration)

a gentler way to put it is, you get a chance to win something after not winning anything for 200 times. guaranteed losers on a subscription.

this is critical and harsh but lets debate.

$12 may not sound like much. Fargorate is nice and the promo is helping the sport. But I will be critical with clear logic.

AZBilliards is free and no user has ever pushed for increase to Gold subscription. This community has survived longer than others.

Rating system have come and gone plenty
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The subscription for the app isn't to get games into the system. It is to be able to access match results.
 
David in FL said:
If that someone else doesn’t care about his own Fargorate it won’t matter. Heck, it wouldn’t be hard to have people who don‘t even play much, if any pool entered into the system...



I remember that he said he’s confident there isn’t a problem, but I don’t remember seeing any explanation as to why. Can you link me to it if I missed it?
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Fargorate uses far more than 2 competitors playing each other to increase/decrease ratings. It will look for common opponents, history of opponents and their ratings, match length, etc. Its not quite as simple as bowling for example where it just takes game scores and divides them by number of games bowled.
 
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