Anyone ever gone WAY back to the basics??

Yes. I switched to pressed lepros about 3-4 years ago. I've tried to play with elk-masters that were pressed, but I can't get them to the performance of the pressed lePros. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but the Lepros are good enough for me. I feel it gave more predictable spin, it's cheaper and I like the feel. For some reason, I find that I get less unwanted spin on the ball when I use LePros. It doesn't make sense, but I've gone back and forth so many times now that I have become completely convinced. When shooting long shots on the snooker table at speed, my performance with the lepro is superior in every way to even the most expensive layered tips. Also, if for some reason I don't like the tip, I cut it off and put on a new one without a second thought. The new layered tips cost as much as 20-30 dollars here. A lepro costs 1-2 dollars. When I press them, they last almost as long, some last even longer.

Since I play all cue sports that are available, and lately mostly snooker and UK pool, I've been using C8b cues for US pool which are more like the cues used in these sports. They're handmade and do not have any fancy ld technology, and I have an ash one (like a snooker cue) and a maple one. The only "high tech" thing they have are carbon fibre ferrules. I don't like the brass ferrules for the larger diameter cues, but I do have brass ferrules on my snooker and UK pool cue. The carbon fiber hits more similar to the brass than other materials.

I have some ld shafts still. I can use them, because I still remember the offsets for sidespin etc, but I rarely do. I also sometimes play with a completely traditional pool cue with the big ferrule and everything. In some ways I think it hits better than the C8b cues, but I find it tougher to then transfer back to a snooker cue, which is why I rarely use it now. In the later years I've gotten used to the response from a conical, non-hollow shaft. It's a "harsh" hit, but it's very revealing of bad cueing. In the English cue sports there is a great emphasis on "positive" cueing. That is hitting the cueball in an accellerating fashion. The conical shafts hit lets me instantly know if my stroke is on or not. To me, a pro-tapered shaft sometimes masks flaws, for better or for worse, usually the latter. If carbon shafts can somehow become more lively and less dead, there may come a time when I switch to them.
 
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In the English cue sports there is a great emphasis on "positive" cueing. That is hitting the cueball in an accellerating fashion.
I seems to me it would be more difficult to hit a cueball in a decelerating fashion or with a constant cue speed. In any case, the cueball has no idea whether the cue was accelerating, decelerating, or moving at a constant speed at impact. All the cueball knows is the instantaneous cue speed at impact. So, if you decide you struck the cue ball poorly, aren't you just saying that you didn't hit the cueball hard enough?
 
I seems to me it would be more difficult to hit a cueball in a decelerating fashion or with a constant cue speed. In any case, the cueball has no idea whether the cue was accelerating, decelerating, or moving at a constant speed at impact. All the cueball knows is the instantaneous cue speed at impact. So, if you decide you struck the cue ball poorly, aren't you just saying that you didn't hit the cueball hard enough?
It feels different when i decelerate. After so many years of playing I instantly know wether the strike was good or not. And, yes the result is not only too soft of a hit but frequently a miss as well.
 
one of the plusses to my cheap sneaky is i dont sweat the dings, doesnt bother me,
and i cant say how it plays in those temps cause id never stay playing pool in that hot or cold of a room

I have a bar table on my back patio. No walls, no climate control. When the itch to hit balls gets too strong I go out there rain or shine, hot or cold. Pure luck, I bought this table right before Covid became known. I haven't been in a pool hall or bar since then.

The dings are very deep dents maybe a quarter inch wide or more, a half inch long right in the area that slides through my bridge when I have to use a short bridge length for some reason, impossible to ignore! Gonna see how much repair I can do but not real hopeful. In fifty years of playing this is the worst I have ever damaged a shaft accidentally. Not exactly sure how it happened, I was falling and my arm swung out with the cue in my hand. The shaft must have hit over and over some way flexing and hitting again or rebounding and hitting again. Takes a lot longer to type about it than the split second it took to happen. Worst case, I may have to turn this shaft down a bunch. Hate that because this is one of the few shafts I have left with my custom taper and my cue lathe isn't set up. If I take the shaft down it will be on my traditional wood lathe, an interesting and somewhat scary prospect!

Hu
 
Anyone ever gone WAY back to the basics??

Yes. I put my cues back in the case one evening knowing it would be a loooong time before I would ever be able to play regularly and serious again. Yesterday I looked at my cue case and thought about playing again some day. This is about as basic as it gets. Do I have the urge to play and get hooked all over again? or not? I took a walk instead.
 
I have a bar table on my back patio. No walls, no climate control. When the itch to hit balls gets too strong I go out there rain or shine, hot or cold. Pure luck, I bought this table right before Covid became known. I haven't been in a pool hall or bar since then.

The dings are very deep dents maybe a quarter inch wide or more, a half inch long right in the area that slides through my bridge when I have to use a short bridge length for some reason, impossible to ignore! Gonna see how much repair I can do but not real hopeful. In fifty years of playing this is the worst I have ever damaged a shaft accidentally. Not exactly sure how it happened, I was falling and my arm swung out with the cue in my hand. The shaft must have hit over and over some way flexing and hitting again or rebounding and hitting again. Takes a lot longer to type about it than the split second it took to happen. Worst case, I may have to turn this shaft down a bunch. Hate that because this is one of the few shafts I have left with my custom taper and my cue lathe isn't set up. If I take the shaft down it will be on my traditional wood lathe, an interesting and somewhat scary prospect!

Hu
Other than it is the way you like it, what is the taper of your shaft?
 
Other than it is the way you like it, what is the taper of your shaft?

The "pro taper" part grows about one mm per foot, between one and two best I recall. That could be easily enough measured and set up. The issue is the top part of the shaft towards the joint. A compound curve, what is generally called a parabolic taper. That took several months of trial and error to develop and more than a few ruined shaft blanks.

There is no simple transfer from computer to taper bar for it. While it would seem that it wouldn't be difficult to regain the hit I want, very slight changes cause large changes in hit. When I turn a quality maple shaft or a quality spliced blank I get the hit I want my name on. I suspect with all of the cue builders out there that some hit very similar to my shafts. However, this taper is mine. I didn't steal it from somebody else's shaft, I didn't even start with anything but my own ideas. How far down to carry the straight taper at the joint to match my butt design? That and the complexity of the curves are what makes the shaft taper mine.

As I hope you can see, being totally forthcoming doesn't tell you much more about my taper than before I typed all of this. It is a taper I designed from scratch over months to get the hit I wanted. Yes, it is a big enough pain to take months to find what I want again, or I might find it on the first try!

Hu
 
I never left the basics! Solid maple shaft, triangle tip. Working on getting better as a player. Some elements of my game are better than they've ever been, but others...well after all this quarantining, I need competitive play to get those back up to par.

My current cue has been my main player for 8 years now. The only thing I always wished was for a slightly smaller shaft (currently 13mm, 12.5-12.75 would probably be better). Custom cue, so didn't want to get it turned down. So now I'm shopping cues that have all the whiz-bang technology that I'm afraid will just make me a worse player, at least at first. I can get a Cynergy cue for under $600. 12.5mm, CF shaft, low-D.

My finger has been hovering over the "buy now" button for days. If I like it I could save money because I can sell my current player for much more than that. But if I don't like it I'll likely take a hit on resale. Or even worse, I could just confuse myself. Kind of like the saying: a man with one watch always knows what time it is; a man with two watches is never quite sure. A man with one cue always knows how to play, a man with two is never quite sure?

So I sit here, and I ponder.
 
I played with the same cue for 15 years, then bought a really nice Diviney sneaky Pete. I could not adapt well to the low d at the time while in league. It became my wife’s cue. It’s a hell of a great cue and I don’t know what black magic is in it but it’s almost no deflection and floats in your hand like it’s anti gravity. 100% recommend Diviney. Anyway I went back to my trusty McDermott for 10 more years. I recently bought a hsunami kielwood shaft for it and I love it. It’s supposedly ld but I really didn’t have to adjust for it. I can now also play fine with the Diviney but I’m too attached to the McDermott to change now. I often play with the older Dufferin house cue I got for $5 at a flea market shop. Cues really don’t matter if they have a nice tip.
 
With all this new technology being constantly thrown into the cue and equipment aspects of pool, I'm curious:

For those of you that play with layered tips, CF shafts or ultra LD shaft technology, has anyone gone ALL the way back, to a standard hard rock maple shaft, and like.... a Lepro or Triangle tip?

Wondering what the major differences seen are, and if they're noticeable to a measureable degree.

I am used to LD shafts, when I use a standard shaft I miss a lot of shots with spin unless I really calculate in my head how much to aim off the ball. Of course it's the exact same way for those used to the opposite.

Differences are clearly noticeable not sure why it's even a question now. It's been shown there is a difference in the equipment ever since LD shafts became a thing. Probably 1/10th of all posts are about shafts on AZB it's not like it's a new discovery that there are differences are. It's like wondering if cells or bacteria exist now.
 
With all this new technology being constantly thrown into the cue and equipment aspects of pool, I'm curious:

For those of you that play with layered tips, CF shafts or ultra LD shaft technology, has anyone gone ALL the way back, to a standard hard rock maple shaft, and like.... a Lepro or Triangle tip?

Wondering what the major differences seen are, and if they're noticeable to a measureable degree.
Years ago I bought a 314-2 and didn't like it compared to my normal cue so I didnt use it. Then I stopped playing for 5 years and when I came back I had to learn to aim over again and used the 314-2 and liked it. Then I switched to a z3 shaft and liked it even more. Then I bought a Revo and liked it for a while then realized I play better with the z3 so now it just sits in a case waiting for me to sell it.

I have gone back to my maple shaft and liked it for about a day until I realized I couldn't make all the sidespin shots I can with the z3 so I always switch back.
 
Experimented with a a soft layered tip and an OB LD shaft for about a month
then right back to hard maple shafts and good old hard pressed Triangle tips.
Keep it simple stupid.
A true lights out player will take a stick off the wall and beat everybody in the room.
Yup, it's the Indian.
Not really. Yes, it's the Indian, but great warriors ensure their equipment is top notch, always. They don't put crooked arrows in their quiver. They don't take weak bows with them. See the point?
 
There are lots of places to coach new pool players online across the various forums.

My question is every using the same username on other platforms?
 
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