Center Pocket Music, the long-awaited CTE Pro One book, by Stan Shuffett.
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You said it was a bonafide world class level shot. I just didn't know you thought it was only so because you wrongly thought that a world class level player told me to shoot it.
You are a liar. You didn't see it hear any such thing. Wow, that you would outright lie now and claim that you did is not surprising but is audacious. After that shot we played for 17 more minutes to finish for the night and no one would think that I was getting any coaching in those 17 minutes.
You can't even keep the story straight when you have the video to go off of.
You think I was coached then please explain how I scratched the very next shot? Was it because I was shooting the right shot and didn't execute or.....?
Here is you dogging the out AGAIN after the scratch. - you really need CTE in your game.
You're possibly the sorest winner in pool. It is not hard to see why you are so despised by the players around you. It is also clear that your pattern of trying to rewrite history through embellishment is intact.
Like I said: please quote me in context or go pound sand.
And I saw and heard what I did. You can call me a liar all you want. That doesn’t change it nor what the eye witnesses reported.
You scratched and missed and everything else because you played like a monkey going into cardiac arrest.
Lou Figueroa
If you were applying BHE or if this is simply a case of steering I can accept that explanation. Of course, you could just say the same thing about all your shots. Seems to me if you had the nuts with CTE your steering problem would evaporate.
My analysis of Stan's stroke was spot on and you simply saying "no it isn't" doesn't change that. I don't need to analyze someone else when the Grand Poobah himself makes last second adjustments.
I NEVER tried to shark you in any way. You and your group certainly engaged in tons of gamesmanship INCLUDING your silly accusations. You ended up LOSING the game in which I went from being on 7 balls back to 5 balls in two successive shots, one of which you thought was world class. If you had known CTE then your game might have actually been well above mine. As it was though you barely beat a guy who had just spent a week doing 18 hour days at the Super Billiards Expo and who has a goofball stroke. Way to go champ! 10-8 in games between us - you are so dominant.
It's unreal how much you lie though. I mean I understand that you chose to be a paid professional liar but I guess I am still astounded by how easily you do it. If you played pool at the same level of dishonesty that you exhibit here then I have no doubt you would have been a world beater. I was incredibly polite to you and made every effort to make sure you were comfortable. Outside of the few REALLY stupid petulant demands you made that were clearly part of your pre-match gamesmanship which I stood fast against I went out my way to make sure that you got the brand of table you preferred and that you got ample time to get used to the table. I instructed the staff to take good care of you.
When the match was over I stuck out my hand and you accepted and we talked with no animosity on my part. You agreed to be cool and then, true to form, you reneged.
The end was not bitter on my part - I was having fun win or lose. Winning would have been MORE fun but I didn't prepare well enough mentally and your group's conniving actions worked to keep me off the table. Totally my fault for buying into it but still you all played your parts perfectly.
The only bitterness here is on your end. All these years later you still can't see that you are simply not as good as you think you are. I think it's time to go through and make a compilation video of all the shots you dogged in the match. You like highlights so let's do a study on your game using the available data.
Starting with this one. truly a championship effort here - you really played this to give me no chance.....
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But I won that game son. Lost two balls in a row and went from 7 to 5 in balls and STILL beat you.
I said what you said. There was NO CONTEXT where you didn't think it was not a brilliant shot UNTIL it was universally derided on OnePocket.org. You didn't see or hear anything because there was nothing to see or hear. The more you talk the more we can check the video.
It's hilarious though watching you contort trying to make your lies fit a timeline that clearly disputes what you claim.
Why? Why would you think that a lifetime of steering would go away because of CTE if someone were so afflicted? MORE likely is that if someone has spent 20 years shooting with body english caused by steering through faulty aim then they might end up second guessing the RIGHT aim line because it "feels" wrong.
As for your analysis of Stan's stroke, you were wrong and I proved it with frame by frame analysis that I posted to YouTube in rebuttal. I don't mind that you are critical. I mind that you think that JUST BECAUSE you have a critique that what you claim is correct despite the evidence to the contrary.
I guess you think that stroke has nothing to do with the results of a shot? You have never seen someone miss a shot because of their stroke when they were clearly on the right shot line? Do you even LIKE to play pool?
Listen to what I said about Lou after day one. This is the guy who says I wasn't being classy towards him. Go back over his statements on this forum towards ANYONE he doesn't agree with. The whole reason we are still here is because he so "assy". Ooops did I misspell classy?
John, The Great White is the ultimate narcissist.....only HE and the ones he approves of get to have the last word around here.
In the real life poolroom he is as quiet as a mouse and humble as a sheep.
Put him in the 86 file.
Seriously Joe, is there an explanation to that ?
I know someone who has blown some $200K in pool gambling.
He's the biggest fish I know. No matter what we did , his wrist would cock sideways and on his follow, the tip would leave center line . He took lessons from Parica, Norcross, De Leon and Acaba. They kept telling him to let the cue hang and go straight.
As soon as he was about to deliver the final stroke, his wrist would cock sideways and steer the cue.
One time during lessons, he was so frustrated and could not explain why his wrist would cock that way he almost broke the cue when he smacked it on the table .
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I think the positive reinforcement from CTE, assuming for the moment that it actually did what you think it does, would retrain your brain pretty quickly into realizing that you can trust the CTE alignment and just shoot without second guessing during the stroke. That second guessing would cause a miss so your brain would learn to stop doing that.
I'm not going down the rabbit hole of that conversation, at least not now. You have a habit of doing what you accuse me of. In two videos now you simply just say basically "it's like this because it's like this."
I have no idea what you are talking about. To answer your question, I think the vast majority of shots are missed because of stroke errors, not aim errors. Also, the correct aim does get clouded by bad strokes that give conflicting results to the brain. As the stroke gets better the aim accuracy gets better, it seems to me.
Exactly, FINALLY we agree on SOMETHING. This man could learn CTE and understand it and "get it" and likely would still throw the cue tip off line.
Just like you can see here when the shot line is clearly marked and I miss several shots anyway.
Joe - it's too bad this CTE fantasy ride you are on causes you to be so angry. I have noticed the things you post when not talking about CTE and we are actually on the same side. Any guy who quotes Thomas Sowell is OK in my book.
See my laser video on this. Much better than a chalk line. FWIW, you stroke too quickly and I'd bet the farm that you grip the cue too tightly. No charge for that.
Would you think that? Well, if you paid attention you would already know that second guessing and trusting the "unfamiiar" shot line is a common issue for CTE students. Yes the shooter can retrain their brain and most have done so who have taken up CTE seriously. It's a lot easier if you don't have a lot of bad habits to break.
Lol, I post what I experience on the table and what I can prove by detailed analysis. I debunked your critique of stan using the same videos that you did. Frame by frame.
But you don't KNOW that. You THINK it. Grady Matthews once said he never got beaten by a player who THOUGHT he could play only by the ones who KNEW that they could play.
You make a ton of assumptions and have no data to back it up. Why can't you assume that if aiming were not an issue then there wouldn't be any need to discuss aiming at all? It would be a moot point because it would be absolutely clear that the vast majority of players could aim perfectly and just couldn't stroke properly. And yet, we see people miss who SHOULD have near perfect fundamentals considering the crazy amount of HAMB table time they have put in.
What advice do you have for this poor schlub to improve his stroke? Clearly he was aimed perfectly right?
I believe that aiming is far less of a problem than the stroke based on my own experience playing and from observing and listening to others.
I have my whole life experience to back it up, but really moreso in the last 5 years. I've come to learn in a detailed way how small the stroke errors can be that result in a miss, often diagnosed as bad aim. Recently I did a study on straight pool break shots. I shot 15 a day once or twice each day for a couple of weeks. I found that my aim was correct but my stroke was causing problems, especially on certain awkward angles. An exercise like this is really good for pointing out stroke/grip errors. It's like, "OK I just made this shot with the exact same aim but I just missed it. Why? Oh, I think I twisted by wrist on that one." After doing that for awhile you realize just how important each of those little things are. So now I'm missing break shots very rarely and when I get down to aim one I know the aim is right. The only way to miss is with a stroke problem. That's data.
I know you're being cute but anything could have happened. This is a small angle shot that I've hit the same way, too. Sometimes you try to do something with the cue ball or try to throw the ob and simply execute it wrong. We're not pro players so it happens.
So YOUR experience and observation should be counted but not those of CTE users and CTE teachers. Got it.
So you objectively tested your break shot and found the error using 15-30 repetitions per day. Yet when someone like Stan puts in years of effort to master a particular technique you discredit his observations gained from thousands of hours of repetition and analysis. Seems kind of hypocritical for you to have that stance.
Really? I guess then he should have learned how to aim and adjust correctly then. Maybe learning HOW to aim for the throw would have helped him. There is a technique for that. Would you like to see it or do you believe you already know everything about how to play like Lou thinks he does?
I have a sound explanation for why my results were achieved. Stan can't explain his because his premise is wrong. He thinks you can look at two balls a certain way and that causes the balls to be linked to the pocket. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I wish he could explain it because it would be terrific. Absent any kind of explanation, he resorts to "just try it and you'll see." Well what we'll see is that it takes months of detailed hard work to make it go. Best guess is that the player makes it happen. There is evidence for that, too, though not as much as I'd like. There are only so many videos out there that can be studied.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. It was a miss, that's all.
Yes I have used lasers as well in similar ways. While you say much better than a chalk line I will say it depends on what you are trying to show.See my laser video on this. Much better than a chalk line. FWIW, you stroke too quickly and I'd bet the farm that you grip the cue too tightly. No charge for that.