Barton's approach to aiming

JB Cases said:
better than? And just what is contact geometry anyway? This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_geometry
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John....
How the dickens did something like that contact geometry stuff in that wikpedia link get connected to shooting pool balls?
One of your beginners must have sipped too much Crown Royal to come up with that..??
If I had to know all that stuff to make pool shots, I think I'd just go fishing at Lake Eufaula and relax. (and sip some Crown Royal myself)(y):)
 
Low500 said:
John....
How the dickens did something like that contact geometry stuff in that wikpedia link get connected to shooting pool balls?
One of your beginners must have sipped too much Crown Royal to come up with that..??
If I had to know all that stuff to make pool shots, I think I'd just go fishing at Lake Eufaula and relax. (and sip some Crown Royal myself)(y):)
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Something one of the knockers brought up. Nene heard the term used before in pool so I asked.
 
JB Cases said:
better than? And just what is contact geometry anyway? This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_geometry
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Better than guessing. Contact geometry is simple geometric alignment of any shot and since you are working with a specific object ball line, can be used to calibrate things like CutIT ClingIT SpinIT SkidIT Aperture incidence, jaw characteristics, pocket speed and a plethora of other pool manifestations.
 
straightline said:
Better than guessing. Contact geometry is simple geometric alignment of any shot and since you are working with a specific object ball line, can be used to calibrate things like CutIT ClingIT SpinIT SkidIT Aperture incidence, jaw characteristics, pocket speed and a plethora of other pool manifestations.
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Good luck doing all those equations while playing. Seriously, you'll need a lot of luck or a shot calendar rather than a shot clock.

There are tons of links to snooker aiming systems in this thread. They're all contact point, ghost ball and fraction based aiming. Does anyone care to guess why that is the case? Surely, since snooker has TONS of money compared to pool, someone should have come up with something better by now? It's easy. First, snooker has no diamonds on the table. Second, snooker has a lot of distance and small pockets. There is very little margin for error. You have the lines and the balls, nothing else to go on, yet people make it work. The subconscious of the people playing makes it work, not calculators and protractors. Nobody has time for equations, and even if they did, it takes all the focus a person has, just to deliver the cue to the standard required. Nobody is standing around crunching numbers in a snooker match.

I'm not English, but I've gotten some insight into their psyche over the years of playing their sorts of cuesports. They are no-nonsense people, they don't buy into magic hocus pocus or unproven gadgets. They go with the stuff that is proven to work, it's both to their credit and to their detriment, but mostly the former. If you want to sell miracles, it's not the place to do it.
 
What looks like an easy black would be missed 3/4 of the time by decent Pool players on a snooker table. Shot is even missed sometimes by top pro snooker players.

What can help when practicing. Use a ghost ball, remove it but mark the centre with a sticky donut. Easier to aim at the centre of the donut than figuring out where to hit on the curve of the object ball. Plus you can set up the identical shot and repeat ( and adjust as necessary).

an aside: first method he shows is used on just about every shot by Neil Robertson.
 
Straightpool_99 said:
Good luck doing all those equations while playing. Seriously, you'll need a lot of luck or a shot calendar rather than a shot clock.

There are tons of links to snooker aiming systems in this thread. They're all contact point, ghost ball and fraction based aiming. Does anyone care to guess why that is the case? Surely, since snooker has TONS of money compared to pool, someone should have come up with something better by now? It's easy. First, snooker has no diamonds on the table. Second, snooker has a lot of distance and small pockets. There is very little margin for error. You have the lines and the balls, nothing else to go on, yet people make it work. The subconscious of the people playing makes it work, not calculators and protractors. Nobody has time for equations, and even if they did, it takes all the focus a person has, just to deliver the cue to the standard required. Nobody is standing around crunching numbers in a snooker match.

I'm not English, but I've gotten some insight into their psyche over the years of playing their sorts of cuesports. They are no-nonsense people, they don't buy into magic hocus pocus or unproven gadgets. They go with the stuff that is proven to work, it's both to their credit and to their detriment, but mostly the former. If you want to sell miracles, it's not the place to do it.
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They aren't equations, just shot characteristics - shot geometry that contact aiming can address. The calibration is done the old fashioned way - by trial and error. Basically since you start with the exact shot, how it actually goes is a very reliable indicator of what's going on with you and the shot. Thought I'd bring that up since one of those videos states that calibration requires a shooting machine blah blah...
 
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