Thanks, Arnaldo. I had forgotten about this. Not sure what the fuss is about if there was no actual editing. Maybe the sped up section should be available slowed back down but I think that is reaching.
Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit
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Generally speaking, I'm saying that literally a handful of people including the room owner and friends does not equate to a room full of unbiased spectators at a real exhibition like Mosconi. I'm doubtful that any one person witnessed the whole thing. The video is all we really have to go on and that is plenty good if it isn't chopped up, which it appears not to be.
Good grief. 'one or other what'!?!
The context was affidavits and beyond clear.
If you continue to feign incomprehension... maybe you aren't feigning.
Just nitpicking here, but there's no evidence to support "a room full of unbiased spectators". for Willie's record run. There were some people who say they were there and witnessed the run. It doesn't sound like it was a roomful, and we don't know that they were unbiased. We don't know if they include the room owner, or any of Willie's friends. We don't know if the spectators were all on one side of the table, or surrounding it. We don't know if the spectators were studiously paying attention to every shot over 2 hours and 10 minutes, or were they just normally engaged like you see at any match, coming and going to the bathroom and the bar, and talking among themselves. We don't know if the people at the back could see every shot clearly. The word 'witnessed' has different meanings and interpretations.
But none of this matters in the big picture. The BCA was satisfied with the notarized statement and Willie's own description, and created a record category as a result.
i agree with your sentiment. The evidence from John Schmidt et. al. is 'plenty good'
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I'm just going from memory that this was a typical exhibition that Mosconi gave with 50+ people so it is certain that the run was continually witnessed by a group of people. They were not his buddies in the audience -- they were the general public. If you are not sure then you can ask the numerous people in this forum who have attended his exhibitions.
This seems to be a reoccurring issue with you — conflating what someone else has argued and then confronting me about it, expecting me to know what you’re talking about.
When have I ever argued about the legitimacy of JS’ affidavit? What I’ve been doing these last few posts is defending the legitimacy of Mosconi’s affidavit. So as far as any hypocrisy, you need to take that up with someone who has questioned the JS affidavit.
Lou Figueroa
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In the case of the Mosconi run he knew the owner.
Traveling from room to room 300 days of the year he probably recognized a few guys but it is doubtful any were more than passing acquaintances..
Lou Figueroa
Again, I'm not trying to be nitpicking, but you're promoting facts not in evidence.
I agree it was highly likely that the run was continually witnessed, but we don't know how many people that was. There's no mention anywhere that the people who signed the statement all "continually witnessed" it, just that they "witnessed" it, whatever that means.
Yes, the general public was admitted, but we don't know if that included any of Willie's friends. Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't really matter does it?
The things that we know for sure are pretty limited. But it doesn't matter.
What we do know is that BCA talked to Willie, and they had the signed statement, and they were confident in what happened, and they declared it a record run.
...probably...doubtful....acquaintances.
You're speculating. You don't know.
Your reminder, posted by you::" The affidavit speaks for itself."
There’s nothing wrong with offering a well informed opinion is there?
I know a fair amount about Mosconi, his run, and personally attended four, maybe five, of his exhibitions. I spoke to the man and once asked him for his autograph.
How many of his exhibitions did you get to see?
Lou Figueroa
Some people call me a nitpicker when often the little things are important. The affadavit has 50 something signatures and I agree we don't know how many saw it start to finish, but as this was an audience I doubt people were mingling in and out during the run. In fact, IIRC, Mosconi got mad at some kid in his line of sight when he finally missed because the kid moved or something. That indicates that people were watching as if in a movie theater. You didn't want to distract a guy running that many balls. Not sure how true that is as stories change over the years.
Speculating implies a wild ass guess rather than an educated one based on past experiences from other exhibitions and common sense.
Is it really that hard to follow? Holy jeez.
One affidavit 'speaks for itself' in an affirmative manner but the other does not?
Whether or not you spoke the words stating John's affadavit is refutable or not...you are commenting on it.
And it is hypocrisy to think one has powers the other doesn't have.
Like Mr 626 running 600+ when he's had multiple documented runs of 400+ .
It's not hypocrisy it's common sense.
The fact of the matter is that not all affidavits are created equal. Just as not all evidence is created equal. And the same can be said of witnesses. Each must be weight individually on their merits and faults.
Lou Figueroa
Running any particular number does not mean you can reach the next milestone when it comes to 14.1.
We have been over this numerous times. If you have run 100 it does not mean you can run 200. Run 200 -- it does not mean you will ever get to 300. 400 does not automatically mean you can run 500 or 600 or 700. Runs at straight pool become logarithmically more difficult the higher the number.
I have run over 100 numerous times. I doubt I will ever run 200.
Lou Figueroa
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Convenient.
No Lou, I talked about whether it constituted editing or altering the video. Of course a video or a record played back at 2x speed is hard to understand...but after all is done the original is still there, unaffected by the event.
If I thumb through a 500 page novel in 10 seconds I can't read it all, but the words are still there.
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