Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit

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lfigueroa said:
He chose poorly.

If there was a time to go for Mosconi's record it was probably 60 years ago, right after The Hustler came out. (And yes, I know JS wasn't even alive then.) There was renewed interest in the sport, people still knew what 14.1 was, and pool rooms were opening all over he country rather than closing. Mosconi himself was still alive and could have been interviewed on his feelings about the whole thing.

Now, there's nothing for him to find, no avenue to make money off the run -- that time has passed and it's not so much about the sport but rather how he handled it.

Lou Figueroa
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And you know this because of your vast experience in the billiard industry? I have been part of the billiard industry since I was a teenager and honestly I can't remember any product you have ever made or sold or any company that you worked for or any position in any league or billiards organization. Forgive me if I missed something but in the 22 years that I have known your name I have never seen you associated in any financial capacity with anyone else whom I know to be actually IN the billiard industry. It's funny that with the aspersions of fraud and trickery that are being bandied about how easily those people doing the denigrating and accusing have forgotten that we live in a society where people buy ANYTHING. They buy stories told by names on screens, they buy products to improve their game. So with that in mind the right packaging of a good product is always sellable. Anyone who has a marketing and PR background knows that.

Now, there's nothing for him to find, no avenue to make money off the run -- that time has passed and it's not so much about the sport but rather how he handled it.
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Oh, and how did he handle it that impacts future ticket sales.

Here, enjoy this run, let's help John get more views. This one "only" has 44,000. Let's pump it up! Danny, watch this twice and you will have your video of 600+ with commentary. John addresses some of the criticism here.
 
Cuedup said:
I suspect if someone beat his record he [Mosconi] wouldn't bitch about it and claim fraud. He'd just beat their record.
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The post by Cuedup that said:
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"I suspect that if someone beat his record he [Mosconi] wouldn't bitch about it and claim fraud. He'd just beat their record."
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. . . may be the most definitive and ultimately useful work product of this entire thread, because by inference, it is the real road map to a result that should satisfy everyone on both sides of our multi-member "fraud/no fraud" disquisition.
Concisely expressed:

-- A player performs -- on-camera -- a well-witnessed ultra-high run that exceeds John and Willie's by about 8 additional racks.

Arnaldo ~ (just what Bobby C. and any future 14.1 event producers will likely have in mind as their minimal metric.)
 
arnaldo said:
The post by Cuedup that said:
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"I suspect that if someone beat his record he [Mosconi] wouldn't bitch about it and claim fraud. He'd just beat their record."
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. . . may be the most definitive and ultimately useful work product of this entire thread, because by inference, it is the real road map to a result that should satisfy everyone on both sides of our multi-member "fraud/no fraud" disquisition.
Concisely expressed:

-- A player performs -- on-camera -- a well-witnessed ultra-high run that exceeds John and Willie's by about 8 additional racks.

Arnaldo ~ (just what Bobby C. and any future 14.1 event producers will likely have in mind as their minimal metric.)
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it's their ONLY metric because there are zero runs that they would put up that have any marketability or meaning according to their own comments here.
 
JB Cases said:
And you know this because of your vast experience in the billiard industry? I have been part of the billiard industry since I was a teenager and honestly I can't remember any product you have ever made or sold or any company that you worked for or any position in any league or billiards organization. Forgive me if I missed something but in the 22 years that I have known your name I have never seen you associated in any financial capacity with anyone else whom I know to be actually IN the billiard industry. It's funny that with the aspersions of fraud and trickery that are being bandied about how easily those people doing the denigrating and accusing have forgotten that we live in a society where people buy ANYTHING. They buy stories told by names on screens, they buy products to improve their game. So with that in mind the right packaging of a good product is always sellable. Anyone who has a marketing and PR background knows that.



Oh, and how did he handle it that impacts future ticket sales.

Here, enjoy this run, let's help John get more views. This one "only" has 44,000. Let's pump it up! Danny, watch this twice and you will have your video of 600+ with commentary. John addresses some of the criticism here.
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I know it as a matter of common sense.

And using your logic: given your level of play and flying jumping-bean chicken wing stroke, you shouldn't be talking about pool. Anyone who has ever held a cue stick knows THAT.

Lou Figueroa
 
JB Cases said:
it's their ONLY metric because there are zero runs that they would put up that have any marketability or meaning according to their own comments here.
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People are motivated by many different things in life.

In this particular case, given that the runs will be streamed for free, marketing is not the main metric, much less the only metric.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I know it as a matter of common sense.

And using your logic: given your level of play and flying jumping-bean chicken wing stroke, you shouldn't be talking about pool. Anyone who has ever held a cue stick knows THAT.

Lou Figueroa
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Oh and your common sense about what is and is not marketable is based on your vast experience in the billiard business? My level of play is the same as yours so maybe you shouldn't be here either by that logic. You're not any more accomplished in pool than I am. In fact, my state title is "better" than yours because it was a Colorado state title and not a Wyoming one. More tough competition. But we digress into pettiness with the penis measurement.

The FACT is that you are a SUPER NOBODY in the billiard business and as such you have no special insight into what will or won't sell when it comes to world record feats. I, on the other hand, have some experience setting up shows and exhibitions and I know that there IS an appetite out there for "personal time with Champions". So, I would say that you have pretty much zero BUSINESS sense that applies to this subject.

I know two things for sure beyond the slightest shadow of doubt though, 1. I have more fun playing pool than you ever have or will have. 2. I would gladly pay John Schmidt $50-$200 for a nice evening with a champion as he takes me through his world record run.
 
lfigueroa said:
People are motivated by many different things in life.

In this particular case, given that the runs will be streamed for free, marketing is not the main metric, much less the only metric.

Lou Figueroa
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Great, still the ONLY metric that matters. I think most of us here with common sense can see the motivations in play.
 
JB Cases said:
Oh and your common sense about what is and is not marketable is based on your vast experience in the billiard business? My level of play is the same as yours so maybe you shouldn't be here either by that logic. You're not any more accomplished in pool than I am. In fact, my state title is "better" than yours because it was a Colorado state title and not a Wyoming one. More tough competition. But we digress into pettiness with the penis measurement.

The FACT is that you are a SUPER NOBODY in the billiard business and as such you have no special insight into what will or won't sell when it comes to world record feats. I, on the other hand, have some experience setting up shows and exhibitions and I know that there IS an appetite out there for "personal time with Champions". So, I would say that you have pretty much zero BUSINESS sense that applies to this subject.

I know two things for sure beyond the slightest shadow of doubt though, 1. I have more fun playing pool than you ever have or will have. 2. I would gladly pay John Schmidt $50-$200 for a nice evening with a champion as he takes me through his world record run.
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$10,000 won and my offer to play you for $20,000 in STL (which you ignored/declined/passed out from) says your level of play is not the same as mine, boy : -)

And oh BTW, that offer is still on the table. But feel free to stay on your porch barking like a rabid chihuahua, pay your money and have a fun evening with JS.

Lou Figueroa
 
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JB Cases said:
Great, still the ONLY metric that matters. I think most of us here with common sense can see the motivations in play.
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That's the metric that matters to *you.*

You have no clue what is motivating BC but I do and I can tell you, for a fact, that you are talking out of your ass... a not too uncommon occurrence.

Lou Figueroa
 
Smutzc said:
You two sound like brothers who actually love each other but have more fun hating each other. Kiss and make up already 😘 Hahahaha!!
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I see that you are a new member.

Perhaps a new member that has been lurking for a while? In either case I'm going to guess you don't know the 20+ year history behind what is going on here.

So let me tell you this: there will be no kissing, no hugging, no Christmas cards exchanged. We actually do loathe each other. Neither of us would piss on the other if we saw them on fire.

Lou Figueroa
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Just seems childish the way you two let each other under each others skin. Unprofessional, but then again profesional isn’t in either of your portfolios ! 😂😂😂
 
lfigueroa said:
That's the metric that matters to *you.*

You have no clue what is motivating BC but I do and I can tell you, for a fact, that you are talking out of your ass... a not too uncommon occurrence.

Lou Figueroa
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lfigueroa said:
If common sense is the guiding principle here, you have no chance.

Lou Figueroa
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Well, I think I have some clues based on what he wrote here. I think that most of us can see what this thread is about. We also fully understand that anyone claiming to be "good" with John Schmidt who spends time denigrating him publicly is "talking out of their ass".

I personally don't give two shits who holds the high run record in straight pool, one pocket, 9 ball etc.. because SOMEONE always will have the high run record in whatever the discipline is.

One thing I know for sure is that I won't ever have a high run record that matters to anyone and neither will you or any other average player like us. So I will respect and appreciate the achievements of those who do put up high numbers and not go out of my way to knock them.
 
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Wow...I wake up and this thread is three pages shorter. Something must have gone sideways...lol.
 
lfigueroa said:
$10,000 won and my offer to play you for $20,000 in STL (which you ignored/declined/passed out from) says your level of play is not the same as mine, boy : -)

And oh BTW, that offer is still on the table. But feel free to stay on your porch barking like a rabid chihuahua, pay your money and have a fun evening with JS.

Lou Figueroa
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What are you jabbering about? This thread is about knocking John Schmidt's world record of 626. The logic of saying that a person isn't on another person's level because they haven't taken an offer is quite dumb. I mean, by that logic, the FACT that I told you we can play for 30k in OKC years ago which you declined means that you are not on my level. And Lou, you finished 3 games ahead of me after 9 hours of play in a situation where you had NOTHING to do but show up and play. I had a pretty intense job that I was doing up to the day before the match. I'd say that thinking that you are so much better than me based on that match is magical thinking. The game difference between us out of 18 games played is four games. Any rational person knows that this isn't enough to reach a conclusion that one player is dominant over another one.

Stay on topic buddy. Where we stand in relation to each other is really immaterial. You are not fit to carry John's cue case and neither am I. Just two railbirds chirping about things we can never achieve. In fact I am so confident in your average skill level that I would have bet $5000 that you couldn't run 200 in a week on the same table that John used. So you are no more qualified to talk about pool than I am and you are completely unqualified to talk about the billiard industry with any authority.

Let's just stay focused here on John Schmidt's amazing feat of running 626 balls in succession. Here is part Freddie Agnir's account of the evening with John and his thoughts on the veracity of the run. This is what you like to knock and so either you are saying that Freddie is a liar or has been duped. Which is it? I won't ever stop posting this as long as this thread continues because it is relevant to the topic. Danny is making accusations of fraud and you and Bobby Chamberlain have both disparaged John throughout this thread and soft-pedaled backing Danny's accusations of fraud (a crime). So for me this is just another attack on the those who do by those who can't get there.

""It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Teddy Roosevelt

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lfigueroa said:
I see that you are a new member.

Perhaps a new member that has been lurking for a while? In either case I'm going to guess you don't know the 20+ year history behind what is going on here.

So let me tell you this: there will be no kissing, no hugging, no Christmas cards exchanged. We actually do loathe each other. Neither of us would piss on the other if we saw them on fire.

Lou Figueroa
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Not true. While I certainly have an extremely low regard for you I would still try to save you because of who I am as a person. But if pissing on you is what was required to do it then I will admit that I would enjoy that very much.
 
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