I am okay with jumping with your playing cue. The best way to get rid of jump cues is to erase the logic for them. Get rid of One-Foul.
Jump sticks have changed the game
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There is a difference between a masse and a sky hop where the cue ball jumps several inches in the air and maybe several feet down the table.
That has nothing to do with the topic. Jump cues and shaft jumping were used under two-foul rules and were defined by the Texas express group and adopted by the World Pool Association.
So basically those opposed to jump cues just want to be able to steal by playing basic hustler safeties?
2 foul isn't coming back. The rest of the world has moved on. We should as well.
This is pool and everyone does what they want. The WPA has zero say.
I agree with this.... you play what you like, I'll play what I like. But as long as I'm playing pool, I'm happy.
Everytime someone asks me if i want to play a few games, i respond.... "AS MANY AS I CAN BEFORE I DIE"!!!
May I ask why...? I would think as a room owner, the whole practice of jumping would be unwanted.
The difference is ::
that the massé has the cue tip impact the cloth with potential damage
AND
that the jump cue has the CB impact the cloth with potential damage.
In America that is certainly true.
Same poolroom had no gambling signs and we ignored those as well.
No jumping was for scoop jumps, the kind most of us learned as kids.
Jump cues and jumping does no harm to the cloth. I used to prove this ten times a day to skeptical room owners.
Is it gambling if you always loose (or always win) ?
That is why the word potential is present.
But even breaking (the way the pros do it--perfectly legal BTW) leaves marks on the cloth.
But place CB a 1/8 of an inch width from interfering ball and jump over that ball. I can guarantee that there will be a tiny while mark on the cloth--even with recently polished CB.
I worked in the pool hall as a kid and all the way up until I got out of school.
There was no gambling allowed, but it was done and Kept under the table for the most part.
We did not allow jumping of any kind.
It was bit easier to hide your gambling than it was your jumping.
If you were caught gambling they may warn you (for appearance sake), but if you continually jumped they made you quit playing.
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Yup!
You shouldn't contact the cloth with the tip for most masse shots, I don't think I do on any of them, but I can't be 100% sure, though if the cue does touch the cloth it's not with any degree of force that could damage it, it would most likely only barely drop onto it. I know I have never done any damage beyond burn marks on the table and any shot can make those. Anyway, I'd say the risk of damaging the cloth is higher for the masse, but the cueball also gets damaged sometimes when it jumps off the table and impact the floor or the wall or whatever on the failed jump shots.
I'd also say that even fewer people know how to properly masse than know how to jump, which is really saying something. Whenever I see someone attmempting a "big" masse I anticipate disaster. I always try to be very carefull not to shoot these shots around beginners, because inevitably, when they see a shot like that being made, they want to try it and end up hitting the cloth with their cuetip, sometimes ripping it.
For the record I have never been in a pool room that enforced the no gambling signs. I have never seen a pool room that didn't allow good players to jump with a full cue in the legal way. I have only been in and gambled in a couple hundred rooms so I am sure that there are some which operated as you described.
Isn't it funny how you are one of the incredibly few who think it does no damage to cloth.
Oh, and how you come into threads and just kill the vibe almost immediately.
Loses, but there is always some other reason. How long does he get a pass for having a great case, but a junk personality?
Have you even seen someone competent jump? It doesn’t take much more “force” applied to the cue ball to jump a full ball, 10” in front of the cue ball, as it does to lag for break on a 9’ table...
To be clear here, nobody is talking about some drunk banging balls around in the local bar trying to impress his girlfriend...
There's the thing that gets shoved the back of the debate about 'jump' damage. Whether or not the tip of the cue hits the cloth. The massive benefit to the jump cue is it's extreme light weight. The combination of this light weight and little power to actually get the CB in the air helps prevent burying the tip into the cloth. A properly executed jump with a jump cue will cause no more damage if not less than a properly performed break shot.
A full length cue is in orders of magnitude more difficult to prevent from hitting the cloth when performing a jump.
Frankly... If I ever had a room of my own. I'd have a sign that would say "Room gets 10% on action" and "No jump shots with full cue".