From beginner to APA4
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ask here justin
how are ya'll doing in league ?
i am just curious how some of you guys are playing and hoe some people respond without this going to another league bashing thread. feel free to respond no matter what league. i was playing 5 times a week and cut out fri night scotch doubles...
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MrKnives
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I’d say if you put in the practice 3 yrs would be reasonable. If it takes you 20 then you’re doing something wrong
I'm not much into leagues, but isn't a 4 a beginner anyway? I guess it would take 3 or 4 months from the time you first pick up a cue if you played a few hours daily, and I mean really played to get better.
It depends on your aptitude and your work ethic.
A player who lived in this area for a while started to play pool when he was 16. Within six months he had run 7 racks in a row (100 points of straight pool) without a miss. That would put him at APA 10, if there was a 10.
On the other hand, you can look around at a lot of teams and there are 3s who will probably never make it to 4 and have been playing for 20 years.
I would say that I was at APA 4 level in less than a year after I started to play. I think that's a reasonable goal for anyone who is willing to put in the time and has some aptitude for the game. I think you will also need to get some decent instruction.
I thought it was a national rule but apparently not as i have read a few posts where men have started as a 3.
In our area all men start as a 4 in both 8 and 9 ball and all women start as a 3 in both.
If your leagues gene pool is filled with nothing but SL2 players, you could end up being a SL7 by the end of the session. APA handicapping is relative to who you play against, so you could be a horrible player but if your opponents are at least a little more horrible then you can expect to become a SL4 in very short order. Of course the inverse is just as possible, so if your area is populated with nothing but monster sharks then you may never get off the bottom floor.
In my neck of the woods, unless the player is 'known' to be at the level of a SL2 then they would start off as a SL3. There's also an art to staying at a SL2. It ain't easy maintaining that required lvl of play, if you put any effort in to getting better.
If one was to put any effort into attempting to play the game better, I would suspect they should reach SL4 within their first year, or couple of seasons (3 a year).
In my neck of the woods, unless the player is 'known' to be at the level of a SL2 then they would start off as a SL3. There's also an art to staying at a SL2. It ain't easy maintaining that required lvl of play, if you put any effort in to getting better.
If one was to put any effort into attempting to play the game better, I would suspect they should reach SL4 within their first year, or couple of seasons (3 a year).
I started as a 7-9.... LO discretion
I've been asked in the past by my LO to give an assessment of 'unknown' players. Not that he can't do it himself, but he likes to be as fair as possible and he sticks out like a sore thumb in a crowd. Some league newbs will sandbag when they know they're being assessed.
thats the joke, its a VERY OBVIOUS troll job, like you know who
Didn't APA Operator and mikepage straighten that myth out for you already?!
Just busting chops, man. I feel like you're right, but they sure seem to believe otherwise.
I wish you would stop saying this, it's about as true as 2+2=5. The APA system is less relative to your competition than any other system I'm familiar with.
To the OP, if you really want to improve, you will. All it takes is ability to learn "conscious" memory (the stuff you need to think about before you get down on a shot), and develop "unconscious", or muscle memory (what you need to actually execute the shot). The rate at which those two things develop is different for different people. Unless there's some physical limitation, someone dedicated to that development will get to the ability of a 4 in weeks or months, not years. 4 is some shot-making ability and basic knowledge of position play, including spin and its effects. Consistency in those physical abilities and deeper knowledge in the non-physical ones are what's needed to advance beyond 4.
Ok no problem.... Answer me this and convince me otherwise.
If I have a 100 players that would be SL2's anywhere else USofA, and segregate them into their own league. Zero exposure to the world outside their pond. Would that group's SLs not divide into the range of 2 thru 7...? Within that group of 2's some will be weak (remain 2, 3), some will be better then that (>2's = 4~5), and there will be a portion that will be better than the last group (>4/5 = 6~7).
Are you suggesting that regardless of the play within that league that originally had nothing but 2's, there isn't any possibility that some would rise to higher SL's...?
We both know that's true. That's how math works. Other than intervention by some outside higher authority that would for some reason mandate they all remain as SL2's, the group will spread based on win/lose against each other.
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Nah, I'm on the same page as Mr. Page.
That discussion was about how a player's exposure outside their pond effects the group they normally play with. In APA it doesn't. In Fargo it does. What it boiled down to was APA Operator not being able to disclose the 'ways' the APA may or may not use to give balance to an isolated league to the rest of the organization.
Yes this is a good application of a distribution. You went from uniform to normal. Group think also might be a problem of they all chase the same development goals. Its just moving the standard average up however no one else would consider it progress.
Itd be like passing students because you have to pass students. They graduate with 4.0 but are clueless about what to do with the knowledge.
instead of rating systems there should be a checklist. Like a drivers license road test that would be better, but requires individual evaluation.
it is called the billiard aptitude test
BlueRaider
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Who was instructing that 16-year-old phenom? Pretty incredible story. I know people debate the talent issue in pool, but I've heard of similar meteoric rises that completely defy normal expectations and timelines for reaching certain skill levels.
It’s different for everyone. How much natural talent you have and how much you work on your game and GOOD coaching/instruction in the beginning all factor in.
Took me years and years to reach my best speed, longer than it would have had I had any talent and good coaching from the beginning. I’ve played for around 40 years now. I’m past my prime-which was never super high by professional standards.
good luck out there
Fatboy
Took me years and years to reach my best speed, longer than it would have had I had any talent and good coaching from the beginning. I’ve played for around 40 years now. I’m past my prime-which was never super high by professional standards.
good luck out there
Fatboy