Is Schmidt's and charlie 626 Legit
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Because many of them are "repeat" customers.
Repeating post #1370 above (based on data from Bob Jewett's #1369) regarding Schmidt's 626:
Using Bob's data, here's how the pace of play proceeded (approximately) throughout the run, for each group of 7 racks (98 balls):
1st 98 -- 24 min., or 4.1 balls per minute (bpm)
2nd 98 -- 28 min., 3.5 bpm
3rd 98 -- 34 min., 2.9 bpm
4th 98 -- 42 min., 2.3 bpm
5th 98 -- 47 min., 2.1 bpm
6th 98 -- 48 min., 2.0 bpm
final 38 balls -- 20 min., 1.9 bpm
Total -- 626 balls in 4 hrs and 3 min. (per prior info), 2.6 bpm
That’s quite a pace for those first couple hundred. And that includes racking too I’m assuming.
Yes, racking included.
holy shit, just what this thread neeeded .......
Well there you have it... May as well scrub the last 195 pages
If you were specifically trying for the record, I think you'd go fast at the low numbers. String together a good-sized starting point or bust quickly and start over.
When you've built a good run, you have something worth protecting, so you slow down and take more care.
Makes sense, strategically.
Willie Mosconi says his run took 2 hours and 10 minutes, or about 4.1 bpm. That includes the racking as well, so he must have been shooting most of the run at the rate John Schmidt was doing his first couple of hundred.
Sounds kinda fast to me. I'm not saying he is wrong about his time, but that's certainly the type of run I would have to see to believe. Does anyone really think in that 526 ball run he didn't have at least one OB foul?
I think you meant to reply to the gerryf. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an OB foul but it likely would have been disregarded due to it being an exhibition. I’m not too bothered if John has one either as long it doesn’t impact the layout.
The difference with Mosconi is that I don’t think he was aiming for a record so he just kept playing at his normal quick pace. John on the other hand got progressively more nervous as he approached the 400 mark it seemed.
Correct on all accounts.
'Machine-gun Lou Butera' got his nickname from his fast play. In winning the 1973 World Championship, he ran 150 balls in 21 minutes, or 7.1 bpm, or one ball every 8.4 seconds.
Watching Lou Butera is like watching John Schmidt at 2x speed!!
In snooker,
Tony Drago set the official record for the fastest century in 3 minutes 31 seconds. I don't know how many shots he took, but if he was able to shoot only black, a century takes a minimum of 26 shots. That works out to 6.9 bpm, or one ball every 9 seconds.
Alex Higgins did a century in 2 minutes, 45 seconds, but it was during a non-ranking tournament so 'it doesn't count'. That's 9.45 bpm, or one shot every 6.4 seconds.
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Yes, here is a list of Schmidt's 8 highest runs. His two highest before the 626 were 490 and 464.
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So I happened across some "discussion" about John's world record run. I just want to say that the likelihood of it not being legit is very remote. Not only that there are many people involved whose reputations surely matter to them but one of...
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Quite a leap! Same as Mosconi when he set the record, if I remember...
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