Ideas that haven't saved pool

Well we are back to your not supporting Pool hog wash. So my question is like I shot st guy who was pitching me to join,and support DAV.

I asked for a list of membership benefits? After listing to his reply I said, nothing of value to me, you magazine is bush league.

So if Pool is not a Non Profit that files IRS 990, can not deduct support off taxes.

I honestly do not think most corporate sponsors are in hurry to support a sport with mediocre income people as target audience.
When you buy the sponsors products for sale, you're not donating to a non-profit, when they hand over sponsorship dollars to the non-profit pool program, THEY'RE donating to a non profit!!!
 
Most corporate sponsors who shell out 100's of millions in advertising dollars would disagree with you if their sponsorship dollars could drive their sales to show an increase in profits, they don't care if it's pool or checkers, as long as they can see a measuremable return on their advertising dollars they're going to spend anyway!!!

Why in the hell would an advertiser care if they're supporting pool in the first place....they care about sales!!!!

Well the people who make advertising decisions are not stupid, they pay people well to project where to spend, analyze income, and crunch numbers to see if advertising on “x”, is better then advertising on “y”.

So Cobra if you got 15 minutes to pitch MnM-Mars Candy to become a major Pool sponsor, or GM what would your pitch be????

Corporate America is like lottery Winner in reverse. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is knocking at their door seeing donations for their charity, or want to have them support their cause.
 
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I know plenty of sponsors that cater to that, what did you call them, mediocre income people! And spend billions in advertising to get THEIR mediocre income dollars!!!
 
Well the people who make advertising decisions are not stupid, they pay people well to project where to spend, analyze income, and crunch numbers to see if advertising on “x”, is better then advertising on “y”.

So Cobra if you got 15 minutes to pitch MnM-Mars Candy to become a major Pool sponsor, or GM what would your pitch be????
First of all, I wouldn't want either one of them!!!
 
The answer is pretty simple, if you, yourselves, won't support pool, what chance does the next generation have, and why are you so concerned about bringing them into this game....that YOU won't even support!!!
Define support. Are you referring to tournament pool? Why do I owe pro players a living? Why don't they organize and start their own tour.

If they are waiting for a hand, good luck to them.
 
Well the people who make advertising decisions are not stupid, they pay people well to project where to spend, analyze income, and crunch numbers to see if advertising on “x”, is better then advertising on “y”.

So Cobra if you got 15 minutes to pitch MnM-Mars Candy to become a major Pool sponsor, or GM what would your pitch be????

Corporate America is like lottery Winner in reverse. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is knocking at their door seeing donations for their charity, or want to have them support their cause.
I'm interested in sponsors that cater to the "mediocre income people" LOL
 
Define support. Are you referring to tournament pool? Why do I owe pro players a living? Why don't they organize and start their own tour.

If they are waiting for a hand, good luck to them.
Same respect, why should Pro players be expected to entertain you for free??
 
Define support. Are you referring to tournament pool? Why do I owe pro players a living? Why don't they organize and start their own tour.

If they are waiting for a hand, good luck to them.
If you play in tournaments, why should Pro players have to play against you, just because you paid an entry fee, so you have a right to play against them??
 
Define support. Are you referring to tournament pool? Why do I owe pro players a living? Why don't they organize and start their own tour.

If they are waiting for a hand, good luck to them.
Define sport?? My definition is the competition of one person against another, in the effort to produce a winner! Do I care if it meets anyone else's terms of what a sport is? No, why should I care, what difference does it make, its what ever I choose it to be!
 
Well Cobra is you try & fail then more people who just talk.

Here is seal go follow your dream, and hopefully you will achieve it.

If nothing else you can say you tried.👍
I'm going to do more than try😉but one things for certain, I'm not counting on American viewership to be successful, thats for damn sure!
 
Same respect, why should Pro players be expected to entertain you for free??
Paid spectator's are not the same as sponsors. As far as the players, what they have to sell has no real value. They are lucky if anyone would pay to see them.

Pool is a patisapation sport not a spectator sport. Pros are not needed. I'm sorry they choose a profession you can't make a living at.
 
Paid spectator's are not the same as sponsors. As far as the players, what they have to sell has no real value. They are lucky if anyone would pay to see them.

Pool is a patisapation sport not a spectator sport. Pros are not needed. I'm sorry they choose a profession you can't make a living at.
And what's the viewership like in other countries around the world?
 
And what's the viewership like in other countries around the world?
I have spent a lot of time in Europe. They love to watch snooker, It's on tv all the time. I was at the Crucible and it was like a three week tournament. Sold out every night and on tv live.

I think it is cultural, Snooker means something to them. Players are celebrities. Their pictures are on billboard's advertising banks and things.

I played in a pool tournament in Holland, it had over 200 players. Packed every night. I don't know how that translates to the US. They are different over there. I don't know if they are doing things different or it's just different. Nothing like that is ever happening in the US.

Derby may be a big deal but just to the subculture of pool. Only hardcore pool people even know it happens. The mainstream has no idea it exists.
 
If you're right and the next generation of potential pool players is completely outside the game's reach, then pool is already dying, so I hope you're wrong. Mind you, the same exact reasoning applies to every form of cue sports, so if you are right, and kids will only look to their phones for entertainment, all cue sports are all on death row.
You know, I think there's a really intricate point here.

Last I heard (admittedly years ago) is the free 8-ball app/game by Miniclip was one of the most popular mobile games on earth.
I've played it and it's a lot of fun. Pool seems to translate really well to touchscreen games: Quick, simple, fun, fits the touchscreen interface.

Google says by late 2018 it had been downloaded 460 million times (what is that, 7% of the world?!), probably more people than play real pool.

Can those players make the leap to pool? I'd bet a lot will try real pool. Some will stick, but the difficulty and psychological rewards will be very different to the video game: You'd go from making long shots consistently (and getting a little hit of serotonin with each ball) to complete incompetence. And people say millennials need a lot of positive reinforcement.
On the other hand, so long as they're playing with someone of similar ability, maybe they'll still have fun.

Perhaps the future of pool depends on tying in with the phone games. But how?
 
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You know, I think there's a really intricate point here.

Last I heard (admittedly years ago) is the free 8-ball app/game by Miniclip was one of the most popular mobile games on earth.
I've played it and it's a lot of fun. Pool seems to translate really well to touchscreen games: Quick, simple, fun, fits the touchscreen interface.

Google says by late 2018 it had been downloaded 460 million times (what is that, 7% of the world?!), probably more people than play real pool.

Can those players make the leap to pool? I'd bet a lot will try real pool. Some will stick, but the difficulty and psychological rewards will be very different to the video game: You'd go from making long shots consistently (and getting a little hit of serotonin with each ball) to complete incompetence. And people say millennials need a lot of positive reinforcement.
On the other hand, so long as they're playing with someone of similar ability, maybe they'll still have fun.

Perhaps the future of pool depends on tying in with the phone games. But how?
The real problem with pool in our country, is the players themselves! They refuse to support anything they're not a part of. If there was a line drawn in the sand that if you stood on the left side, you're a pro, and have earned the right to be in the class of pros, but if you're a player on the other side if that line, you refuse to accept the fact that your skills are not good enough to make the cut to the pros, and because of that, you refuse to support the growth of professional level pool.
Everyone knows tournaments are ALL funded by dead money entry fees, paid in by players that have no chance if winning, but those players don't care, they're not playing to win, they're playing to get a chance to see how their skills stack up against the real pros, cheap thrills!

If tournaments were played with races to 21 3hr match time limits, single elimination, with a 10 game lead called a no contest, and the winner declared early....most, if not ALL of you wouldn't even bother to play!
But, then, even if you didn't qualify to play, that wouldn't stop many of the players from hanging around, trolling the pros to give some weight so you can match up and gamble in the hopes of making some money! And for most of them players, they need backers because God forbid you bet your own money!!!

Then, if you can't play, damned if you pay to watch!!!

American pool players have an entitlement problem, they think pool revolves around them, only problem is, take gambling out of the picture, and the American pool pool players can't compete in the real world, against the real Pros of this sport! Want some proof? Other than SVB winning the US Open 5 times since his first time winning it, what other major event in pool has been won bu an American player????
 
Golf is not a cheap sport, Club, Ball, equiptment is pricy. Public Course are $20.00 and up for a round of Golf.

Private e Courses are pricy $50.00 to Hundreds of dollars a round.

My uncle belong to a Country Club outside NYC, his inaction fee to join was 25k, plus dues of $500.00/month.

When he retired, he sold his membership for 100k, move to Florida bought home on Golf Course, and played 4-5 days a week.

Man love Golf.
It's no more expensive than pool. That $20 round of golf equals abut $5/hour, cheaper than most pool rates. My clubs cost less than the shaft on my cue. It also gets you outside walking around in the fresh air. I should golf more...
 
$20 for 4 hours of golf?

lol....I quit golf 30 years ago because it cost more than that and lasted waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than 4 hours.


jeff Livingston
 
How many pool players are there?

What's a Mook? Assuming that the published world population of 6,973,738,433 is correct, and using the familiar equation O(e(64/9)1/3(n. log 2)1/3(log (n. log 2))2/3) the answer would be approximately 797,631,248.02963 total players.Nov 22, 2012
 
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