I have never seen this on modern cloth myself, nor have I ever seen a convincing demonstration. See the OB swerve and turn resource page for convincing counter-demonstrations.
How to Curve an Object Ball
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I have never seen this on modern cloth myself, nor have I ever seen a convincing demonstration. See the OB swerve and turn resource page for convincing counter-demonstrations.
Geosnookery
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If you want to see some weird turn, check out the John Schmidt and Thorsten Hohmann clips on the OB swerve and turn resource page.
Enjoy!
"show me the money bob" (very funny, loved it)
total Deja Vu , lots memories , enjoyed film , thanks
I’m glad you liked it.
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I've had a look through the videos now, and it seems to me that the videos on ball turn (presumably on non-napped cloth) show very slight turn, at slow speeds. Albeit not enough to be 'useful'. (I'd guess that the videos are all shooting towards the head-end, so would be against the nap, if there were one.) Would you agree?
I'm glad you asked 'cause I was wondering the same thing. I think I was stuck in the mindset of only viewing it like how sidespin transfers.
I have never noticed a nap turn effect on a modern high-quality pool table cloth. For more info and examples of ball turn, see:
OB “swerve” and “turn” resource page
It all makes pretty simple sense if you can visualize the motions of the balls' surfaces (easier said than done).
pj
chgo
Most good players have realized that object balls curve or bend on slow follow (cut)shots.
The only place I've really encountered resistance to that idea is here on this forum. Apparently it was impossible to bend an object ball and impossible to bend a bankshot...Sigh.
The only place I've really encountered resistance to that idea is here on this forum. Apparently it was impossible to bend an object ball and impossible to bend a bankshot...Sigh.
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Is ball turn distinct from nap turn?
And can the curve in the ball turn videos be attributed to one specific cause (i.e., is it definitely swerve, or definitely not swerve?
I think there can be confusion with throw which is instantaneous, as opposed to curve which is, well, a curve. Can you do the challenge? How much do you think you can get an object ball to curve?
I've exploited the slate gap bump in a game or two.
If you know where the idiots that recovered the table with their glue or whatever it is they use and created a bump across the joint, you can use that in a soft shot to manuever the cb around an obstacle. Or to get shape after a hit.
But if there were table mechanic standards in place throughout the land, that wouldn't be possible. So, try it out for the next 100 years or the next 1-P game and see how it works for you, too. Hurry, before standards are in place.
Jeff Livingston
If you know where the idiots that recovered the table with their glue or whatever it is they use and created a bump across the joint, you can use that in a soft shot to manuever the cb around an obstacle. Or to get shape after a hit.
But if there were table mechanic standards in place throughout the land, that wouldn't be possible. So, try it out for the next 100 years or the next 1-P game and see how it works for you, too. Hurry, before standards are in place.
Jeff Livingston
In terms of Daves challenge I will make an attempt.
However before solving the grand problem let me introduce some lower class problems.
I am introducing this concept because there is a slipping and "transfer limit."
for the arrangement below try to pocket the 13. each ball is a ball width apart. if you double the widths you get more ability to pocket the 13.
instead if just answering how much an OB can be curved, maybe its worth discussing what minimum or maximum distance a curve by the OB can be observed. the percentage of energy is so low that to measure it would take infintesimally smaller measurements than available.
i am mathematically confident that an OB cant be curved at certain distances. However at lengths larger than a pool table I lose confidence proportionally.
In terms of math I am saying Daves question is vague because the theory and practical overlap and diverge.
However before solving the grand problem let me introduce some lower class problems.
I am introducing this concept because there is a slipping and "transfer limit."
for the arrangement below try to pocket the 13. each ball is a ball width apart. if you double the widths you get more ability to pocket the 13.
instead if just answering how much an OB can be curved, maybe its worth discussing what minimum or maximum distance a curve by the OB can be observed. the percentage of energy is so low that to measure it would take infintesimally smaller measurements than available.
i am mathematically confident that an OB cant be curved at certain distances. However at lengths larger than a pool table I lose confidence proportionally.
In terms of math I am saying Daves question is vague because the theory and practical overlap and diverge.
I manipulated the contact area of two balls touching at rest. From rest its easier to study throw transfer.
Based on the demonstration inferences can be made. I think there is a limiting factor in curving the object ball. With the modification you can hypothesize why and how.
its called the justin masse transfer limit.
my full name is in my profile
maybe the justin state of transfer dynamic
or addition of uniform masse on parallel bodies
i am the solver
Based on the demonstration inferences can be made. I think there is a limiting factor in curving the object ball. With the modification you can hypothesize why and how.
its called the justin masse transfer limit.
my full name is in my profile
maybe the justin state of transfer dynamic
or addition of uniform masse on parallel bodies
i am the solver
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