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A Curious CTE Diagram
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Yep... I do adjust my bridge hand first then re-align my grip hand to avoid BHE. Now that I have broken down the process, it's not techincally a true 'in unison' parallel shift, but the end result is the same.
You say that, but I speaking of a shift that's horizontally parallel to the original aim line. If my cue originally follows the aim line exactly, and then I shift both the tip and butt of the cue an equal amount to either the left or right. Is the cue not in parallel with the original aim line after the shift..?
I honestly don't have a better description for such an adjustment other than a "parallel shift".
No where near the ability of a pro, let alone Busti, but there's a local player who has a crazy chicken wing practice stroke. When he is planning on hitting the upper half of the CB his practice strokes actually pass over top the CB as well.
When he's on, man he pots like mad and generates amazing action. Most of the time, he's a banger at best. Some times watching his game is like a train wreck that just doesn't end.
If you have enough talent and put in the hours. You can be successful with what would otherwise be the worst practices.
Yes, it is. And, except for the rare case where swerve exactly counters squirt, you miss - unless you subconsciously angle the cue by feel to counter it.
I think when players say they use "parallel english" they usually just mean they do it entirely by feel rather than using a system like BHE.
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So how can there be deviations yet the mysterious relationship between the balls and the pockets is still revealed to the shooter? IF these differences are not important to the success of the method then I wonder exactly which steps are mandatory for everybody to do the same.
Not sure how talking about Freddie's method is some kind of insult.
You forgot to say I don't know anything about CTE and don't know what I'm talking about.
Ah yes...the telephone is indeed a wonderful research tool.Research from those "in the know" have now enlightened me about who Freddie is. A super guy and MENSA intelligent. (I like and admire those kind.)
Anyway, as usual Mr. White you have failed again.
You believe 100% INCORRECTLY. A thread got totally deleted in here within the last two weeks and Freddie posted what he uses and teaches. It is not CTE but it IS a Hal Houle aiming system called SHISKABOB.
SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. The 15 - 30 - and 45. It has NO 7 fractions along the face of the OB. That "7 fractions" stuff is total BALONEY and I have no idea where that got pulled out of.
SHISHKABOB is pretty much a ferrule aim that can be set up from the INSIDE while aiming at the 15, 30, or 45 and then pivot to center or it can be set up at CCB aiming at the 15, 30, or 45 and pivot to outside.
On severe cuts the same two choices of ferrule placement with an inside to center or center to outside are aimed at the EDGE of the OB and then pivoted before stroking.
Take heed, Mr. White upon what you enter. Selah.
The "deviations" are things that happened through the years from some players. Remember, Stan started with Hal's half ball pivot. It took a while for Stan to break it down and put it all back together. So yes through the years we have used different versions, but you know this even though you've never understood any of them. The final complete version is out now and all the new testimonials are on the same page. And most of us that have used a deviated version will also be converting to the final version that Stan has put out.So how can there be deviations yet the mysterious relationship between the balls and the pockets is still revealed to the shooter? IF these differences are not important to the success of the method then I wonder exactly which steps are mandatory for everybody to do the same.
Not sure how talking about Freddie's method is some kind of insult.
You forgot to say I don't know anything about CTE and don't know what I'm talking about.
The deviations are not that extreme that they messed with the guts of the system. You are trying to make a mountain out of nothing.
I didn't say you were insulting Freddie, I said there was no need to continue to drag him into this shit show. I for one will concede that he doesn't use or know Stan's version at this point. If he decides to learn it at some point then so be it.
Miss what...? The CB with the cue, or the shot...? There's other things that are happening to correct for squirt. I just didn't mention the rest of my process because we were discussing BHE .vs. parallel shifts. Not all things that make the OB go in the hole.
I'm sure you'll figure that out eventually.
Other than swerve or angling your cue? Do tell...
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Lost interest... If you have a specific question regarding my process feel free to ask and I'll do my best to explain.
I thought I did that. Other than swerve or angling your cue, what "other things" correct for squirt?
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adjusting aim line...
Maybe that's what you mean by 'angling your cue'. However to me your comments reads as though you mean to 'angle' the cue away from the aim line.
I mean angling your cue so it's not parallel with the direction you want the CB to go - duplicating the expected squirt angle (minus expected swerve) in the opposite direction. Is that "away from the aim line"?
I'm not sure what you mean by "aim line"... the direction you want the CB to go? the direction your cue stick is pointed? They're rarely the same (parallel) for spin shots.
pj
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In my world the "aim line" is the line that the CB will travel to strike the OB at the desired angle.
For future reference. The "shot line" is the line the OB will follow after being struck by the CB.
I'm not entirely sure why this conversation has gone such an odd path. If it helps you can just assume that I'm wrong in either the way I adjust my aim, or my terminology. I'm really indifferent to validating my thoughts and approach to the forum
It's funny and I know I've mentioned it on here before but I tried to mimic Busty's style one time just to try and see what he is looking at. I couldn't figure it out but damned if I didn't start making balls like crazy! And with all kinds of english. It was a lot of fun and sometimes I do it when I practice still.
Don't take it personally - I'm trying to interpret the info for everybody here, especially less experienced players. I think we've (mostly) done that now - thanks for hanging in there with me.I'm really indifferent to validating my thoughts and approach to the forum
The term "parallel" for cue adjustment/alignment has always confused me because when using side spin the cue is rarely parallel with anything.
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I'm not talking about deviations in terms of how Stan presented it over the years. I'm talking about the deviations made by each user to fit their own needs. As in, "Oh, I love Stan's method. I use it myself but when I do it I ...Insert alteration to the method here. I know you'll say that doesn't happen but we all know it does.
Hi Stan, nice to see you posting again. I believe Freddie said he dissects each half of the ball with 7 vertical lines and chooses the one that will get him to the pocket with a pivot. I'm not going to bother contacting him about it but if he reads this maybe he will comment.
Research from those "in the know" have now enlightened me about who Freddie is. A super guy and MENSA intelligent. (I like and admire those kind.)
Anyway, as usual Mr. White you have failed again.
You believe 100% INCORRECTLY. A thread got totally deleted in here within the last two weeks and Freddie posted what he uses and teaches. It is not CTE but it IS a Hal Houle aiming system called SHISKABOB.
SHISHKABOB is similar to CTE in that there are 3 spots to aim at like CTE. The 15 - 30 - and 45. It has NO 7 fractions along the face of the OB. That "7 fractions" stuff is total BALONEY and I have no idea where that got pulled out of.
SHISHKABOB is pretty much a ferrule aim that can be set up from the INSIDE while aiming at the 15, 30, or 45 and then pivot to center or it can be set up at CCB aiming at the 15, 30, or 45 and pivot to outside.
On severe cuts the same two choices of ferrule placement with an inside to center or center to outside are aimed at the EDGE of the OB and then pivoted before stroking.
Take heed, Mr. White upon what you enter. Selah.
So am I. But to be sure why not just give some specific examples of some of the deviations you are talking about in detail to help the conversation