How to Prevent a Shallow-Angle FORCE-FOLLOW Scratch

Poolplaya9 said:
I happen to think Jeremy is the best commentator around, and one of the most all around knowledgeable pros around, but like most pros he has a few beliefs that are just dead wrong. Science isn't usually their strong suit although he is better than most.
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Agreed. JJ is great (except when he makes up words for stuff ;) ).
 
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Dave,

Did you play the draw shot alternative with the waxed up CB? It’s hard to compare the two alternatives if we don’t see the actual outcome with the conditions at play.
 
GideonF said:
Dave,

Did you play the draw shot alternative with the waxed up CB? It’s hard to compare the two alternatives if we don’t see the actual outcome with the conditions at play.
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I did not do that. I probably should have. Although, I would expect the differences between the draw and follow to be similar. The differences might even big bigger under really slick conditions due to the post-rebound peel-out effect since the topspin direction is toward the pocket and the backspin direction is away from the pocket.
 
dr_dave said:
The CB hops automatically with any fast follow shot. For demonstrations, see the follow ball hop resource page.
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Of course, and as you also demonstrated in that video, the 'hop' is increased when the cuing angle is steeper. The trick in application is to 'time' the downward travel of the CB with contact to the OB. It also needs to be 'coming down' at a steep enough angle to generate the additional carom angle.
 
The_JV said:
Of course, and as you also demonstrated in that video, the 'hop' is increased when the cuing angle is steeper. The trick in application is to 'time' the downward travel of the CB with contact to the OB. It also needs to be 'coming down' at a steep enough angle to generate the additional carom angle.
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I'm not sure which video you are referring to because the follow ball hop resource page contains 6 videos. I think the video below does the best job of showing how to use cue elevation to dramatically change carom angle when necessary with nearly straight shots close to a rail:

 
dr_dave said:
Agreed. JJ is great (except when he makes up words for stuff ;) ).
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He made up the word or he re-established a definition? Guess it depends of what your definition of a word is... is...



Lol, just pickin... besides he got his point across with it, right?

Thanks for the lesson Doc!
 
8cree said:
He made up the word or he re-established a definition? Guess it depends of what your definition of a word is... is...

Lol, just pickin... besides he got his point across with it, right?
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I guess that's all that really matters ... the point that slick conditions can make avoiding the scratch tougher.


8cree said:
Thanks for the lesson Doc!
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You're welcome. I aim to swerve. 🤓
 
Bob Jewett said:
With just the right jump the cue ball goes nearly straight along the cushion. I suppose it's a matter of how close to the nose of the cushion the cue ball comes down. I think it's not just the banana effect.
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I was not able to reproduce this action while filming for my video, and I tried some more today changing the CB angle, OB distance from the cushion, and cue elevation. I still couldn't reproduce what you are describing. Do you or others know of any examples of this in exiting online videos, or can you or others post a new video demonstrating the effect?

Thanks,
Dave
 
Shane didn't have as much of a pocket to work with as you do on the test table. He may have still scratched had he hit the outside of the pocket on the 6B shot, especially with slick cloth. On a tight table, the margin for error on that shot (scratch) is huge. With his shot making ability, I would have thought he would have taken a more difficult shot on the 7B vs. the likelihood of a scratch on the 6B. I agree on the 8B. Outside draw on that shot every time. I was shocked he followed it when I was watching it live.
 
rexus31 said:
Shane didn't have as much of a pocket to work with as you do on the test table.
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Agreed.

rexus31 said:
He may have still scratched had he hit the outside of the pocket on the 6B shot, especially with slick cloth.
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I don’t agree. Did you see how far away from the pocket he hit the rail? And did you see how easily I avoided the scratch with a clean hit, without hitting too far out on the facing. Also, as I showed later in the video, my big pockets don’t play as big as they look.


rexus31 said:
I would have thoughI agree on the 8B. Outside draw on that shot every time. I was shocked he followed it when I was watching it live.
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I was also surprised by his choice on that shot, especially after the 6 ball shot.

Thanks for the comments.
 
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