phreaticus
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Sorry, ignore. I was lazy and only skim read the thread. My Q was obviously well answered above. Thx for helpful info.
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Simonis 860 versus HR
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Sorry, ignore. I was lazy and only skim read the thread. My Q was obviously well answered above. Thx for helpful info.
The change is nice, I’ve done that. All things being equal I prefer regular better. But for a year or 2 the HR is cool. It lasts longer that’s for sure. I like different cloth now and then.
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What was the biggest difference you noticed in play?? I am not committed to either yet and I don't want to do something I regret.
It’s rougher on your hands a little(not a big deal) balls seemed a hair slower (not a bad thing), balls didn’t seem to slide as much, seemed like the cloth had a hair more bite. This was in Vegas in a super dry room at my house.
My table got 8-12 hours a day of play, I had a big house with a separated entrance for the table and it’s own bathroom. So was like a commercial pool room with 1 table. Was possibly the best home table ever. 14’ ceiling. Didn’t feel 1% like a home table. Ask all the pros who played there. I let most anyone come and play anytime. So it really got used, I wasn’t there and people still came to play. Was great. So it got the use of a poolroom table and the HR did last longer for sure. I think we swapped it out before it wore out.
Im not sure bout this-memory isn’t 100%, seemed like it got more CB burns from jump shots as it was courser and took a bit more off the CB When you shoot it into the bed of the table jacked up. That never bothered me. One cloth did that more I’m 70% sure it was the HR.
I have nothing bad to say about HR, I liked it. Was cool for a change.
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So it was the HR that showed more burn marks and played slightly slower?? I wanted to switch to HR because I put Simonis Green 860 on my table originally and I love it but after less than 5 years of home play it shows burn marks, break lines, rack wear, and rail groove lines real bad. I was hoping by switching to tournament blue HR that it would hold up a little better, not that I am disappointed at all with the standard 860, its just very beat up looking.
It will hold up better but you will still get the aforementioned marks. They will just take a little longer to appear and will not be as pronounced.
As I remember I got more burn marks on the HR because it was rougher(for lack of a better word) but those marks are not wear. They are on top of the cloth-don’t effect how the cloth plays, just how it looks.
All cloth will get rail grooves after enough time. Simonis takes longer than the old Stevens cloth to get the grooves. And the grooves on Simonis don’t really track the ball like on Stevens or Mali cloth.
To the best of my memory the HR got the beat up look faster than the regular 860. I’m 70% sure it was HR and not regular as I only put HR on once. It was just fine after 6-8 months of long hard play(no bangers). I swapped cloth pretty often on that table.
There’s no getting around marking up any cloth if you play proper pool. Personally I like it to look used-not wore out.
Either one will be great and will last a very long time. The only reason to change to HR is for a different experience-it’s subtle. HR is a hair slower when you roll a ball, but not hugely slow. In wet conditions I’m guessing this would show up more. Less skids too(a bit of a issue in Vegas-not so much at the pool room because more people in the building) but on home tables skids happen way more often. HR reduced that a bit-this I do remember well.
Green is always my preference. I’ve had blue cloth a few times, didn’t keep it on long.
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Fatboy
I thikn you've got the two mixed up. HR = High Resistance; it is supposed to hold up longer and be more resistant to burn and wear marks over standard 860. HR is also a bit faster than standard 860 due to the higher nylon content. Tournament Blue also plays a bit quicker vs Green; something to do with the dye to make Tournament Blue.
I heard the same thing about the blue being slightly faster. I think green is the proper color for pool tables but I figured I would give blue a shot to see if I like it on a GC.
I have 860 HR Tourney Blue on my GC and love it. Gets 10-15 hours a week on it all year, all types of games, and it is track lined out from breaking and such. Plays great but it's only been on for a little over 1 year.
It is longer lasting. But the skid marks came faster and whiter from the CB
Im hoping the burn marks (this is no place for skid marks you knowIt is longer lasting. But the skid marks came faster and whiter from the CB
) will show less on Tournament Blue since its a lighter shade of cloth. When my table first started getting marked up it was a badge of honor that it gets played on and not just used for décor, now its so marked up it looks abused.
The blue shows less marks and since it’s brighter the contrast isn’t as sharp.Im hoping the burn marks (this is no place for skid marks you know
Blue cloth is ok, I prefer green. The blue hurts my eyes after a few hours-but that’s just me. I’d do a table in blue again, why not? Not my favorite. But as I mentioned I like to switch it up.
OT to this thread but a tangerine GC1 with tan cloth sounds fun for a year at home right now.
As long as the cloth is good cloth, table is level and pockets cut properly any cloth is fun for me. Green, blue or tan. No red, burgundy or black(horrible)
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I played on a black rail table with gray cloth, I actually liked that combo a lot.
That would be sexy in the right room. I’ve seen some “decor” tables that looked great. Not traditional hardcore pool-but just eye candy.
I bought a flip house a couple months ago, they left the table behind. Rails were all dead-glue dried, only thing holding them on was the cloth. It had black cloth and maple legs/rails. It’s in pieces in my garage now. Not a garbage table, but for a home table for a recreational player is pretty good. I’m gonna sell it.
Just installed the HR on my Centennial back about a month ago. Love the cloth for speed and for the ability of speed control through out. One thing I don't understand, too me the cue ball doesn't draw as easy on the HR cloth as it does on the 860. I'm getting old and pushing 70, but I have always been able to draw the ball from the long way from the corner pocket where a ball my sit with the cue ball maybe a foot or so of the other end of the table, draw the ball all the way back, and on this cloth, I'm having trouble bringing it back 4 feet. Cloth is pulled properly and is tight as can be, but for some reason the cloth just feels coarser..my 2 cents
That's because of the 70/30 wool,/nylon weave, the surface the balls sit on is a little more coarse than the normal 90/10 qool/nylon cloths.
Just received a new blue circle cue ball late yesterday afternoon. I take back some of what I stated yesterday, but not all of it. Rkcobra yep your right spot on considering the cloth, it is coarser .
