Shane's 3 foul not legit?

Finally I understand what nitty means...

Yes it's ridiculous to split this hair.

Um-m-m, maybe you mean nit picking. I always thought a nit was like in the sfbilliards definition:

nit: Player or side-better not willing to bet high enough
in the eyes of the accusor. Often, anyone who is unwilling to
take any chance with money. "He's such a nit, he wouldn't
bet that water's wet."


For example, Fatboy may well think someone who wouldn't take his $5 bet on which bird would leave the wire first is a nit.
 
actually i believe nit came from head lice called nits. and a nit picker would be the person picking them out before the chemical wash to kill them came out.
generally a nit is someone that does petty things.
and in gambling usually has money and doesnt lose it to those calling him a nit which dont have any money.
 
If you've just been told 'you're on 2' do you really need to be reminded before you shoot? Seriously, are you going to forget it before you shoot again? That's my point. Splitting hairs is being nice.
Wow, this is fantastic. I didn't know we could pick & choose what rules we like to follow. This isn't some "hair splitting rule"
He may or may not have been told when he returned to the table (we can't see & hear on youtube vid)
The rules aren't a joke they literally what defines the game.
 
The goofy referee decision regarding Shane was the referee calling a shot clock violation on him when he had an extension. I guess that's what happen when Brits run an American tournament with their eccentric ways. Now we have spot shot tournaments. Next chalk on the rail will be a foul.
 
The ref made it clear to SVB where he stood. I've played a lot of 3-foul 9ball and this has never been an issue. How many people do you think know the exact WPA wording of the 3-foul rule? I'd bet high its not very many.

If not many know, they should learn. I mean we know the other rules like how a lag works, or need to contact a cushion after hitting a ball.

I this case the correct rule was followed anyway, but everyone should know the rule. It's like going through a stop sign, everyone should know the rules but 75% of the people don't or just ignore it, but they still will get a ticket or hit someone because they don't know who has the right of way and hit some guy that IS following the rules.
 
The goofy referee decision regarding Shane was the referee calling a shot clock violation on him when he had an extension. I guess that's what happen when Brits run an American tournament with their eccentric ways. Now we have spot shot tournaments. Next chalk on the rail will be a foul.
In the ref's defense SVB's ext. was not called imo.
 
If not many know, they should learn. I mean we know the other rules like how a lag works, or need to contact a cushion after hitting a ball.

I this case the correct rule was followed anyway, but everyone should know the rule. It's like going through a stop sign, everyone should know the rules but 75% of the people don't or just ignore it, but they still will get a ticket or hit someone because they don't know who has the right of way and hit some guy that IS following the rules.
I've been at a bunch of events that used the 3foul rule and this has NEVER come up. Not ONCE. In almost every instance the player is told he/she is 'on two' after they fouled. Never seen anyone get back up and forget their foul status. Also, i've NEVER seen anyone bitch/whine that they weren't told again when they returned to table. I've never been in a situation that had a table-side ref. The TD has always said you have to notify after two. Not a thing about when, only that they have to be notified. Never had or seen a problem.
 
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why is it some on here get all lost cause whenever shane loses a match? the ref even held up two fingers in case shane couldn't hear him through the mask. shane doesn't need excuses, he's one of the most accomplished and successful players there is, and the yardstick everyone else measures themselves by.

In the ref's defense SVB's calling the ext. was not called imo.

the ref's not a bonafide brit either, he's from new england
 
why is it some on here get all lost cause whenever shane loses a match? the ref even held up two fingers in case shane couldn't hear him through the mask. shane doesn't need excuses, he's one of the most accomplished and successful players there is, and the yardstick everyone else measures themselves by.



the ref's not a bonafide brit either, he's from new england
Agree. He never said a word.
 
I've been at a bunch of events that used the 3foul rule and this has NEVER come up. Not ONCE. In almost every instance the player is told he/she is 'on two' after they fouled. Never seen anyone get back up and forget their foul status. Also, i've NEVER seen anyone bitch/whine that they weren't told again when they returned to table. I've never been in a situation that had a table-side ref. The TD has always said you have to notify after two. Not a thing about when, only that they have to be notified. Never had or seen a problem.

You may never have seen a problem, but also all those things you witnessed were still using the wrong rule. If no-one knows or follows the rule, that does not mean the rule does not exist, and has existed, in the wording it's at. In most matches that are called shot we also don't actually point to the pocket at every shot, but in the TAP league I'm at, we were told that we have to mark the 8 ball pocket. Even if you agree with the player to just call it, if I just shoot the 8 in, they can say it was not marked and take the game, because the actual rule over-rides the rest of the niceness if my opponent decides the win means more than having people think they are an ass. Until the rule actually states you can call them on two fouls whenever and that is good, anyone not doing so is breaking the rule, and I would not really feel bad about pointing that out since they should know said rule if competing.
 
You may never have seen a problem, but also all those things you witnessed were still using the wrong rule. If no-one knows or follows the rule, that does not mean the rule does not exist, and has existed, in the wording it's at. In most matches that are called shot we also don't actually point to the pocket at every shot, but in the TAP league I'm at, we were told that we have to mark the 8 ball pocket. Even if you agree with the player to just call it, if I just shoot the 8 in, they can say it was not marked and take the game, because the actual rule over-rides the rest of the niceness if my opponent decides the win means more than having people think they are an ass. Until the rule actually states you can call them on two fouls whenever and that is good, anyone not doing so is breaking the rule, and I would not really feel bad about pointing that out since they should know said rule if competing.
You must be real fun to be around. BTW, i wouldn't get out of the electric-chair to play league pool and since none of the stuff in my area has a referee table-side i'm not going to worry about this petty nittiness any longer. I'm gone with the wind................................
 
In the ref's defense SVB's ext. was not called imo.
Right - he had an extension but didn't say the magic word because he was focusing on the pool table instead of the clock. Just give him the ****ing extension.
 
Um-m-m, maybe you mean nit picking. I always thought a nit was like in the sfbilliards definition:

nit: Player or side-better not willing to bet high enough
in the eyes of the accusor. Often, anyone who is unwilling to
take any chance with money. "He's such a nit, he wouldn't
bet that water's wet."


For example, Fatboy may well think someone who wouldn't take his $5 bet on which bird would leave the wire first is a nit.
I just wonder why they given first choice wouldn’t bet a fin……

I’ve never called people “nits” for not making small bets. Unless they can afford the bet and claim to be gamblers. If a person is on the short stack or is just burned out from gambling or isn’t a gambler then they get a pass and aren’t nits.

However if a person is in action and can afford the bet and won’t bet they are a nit, unless of course if they don’t like betting on birds. The non-bird bettors get a pass too.

It’s a complex situation.

I’ll still take the bird in the right for a fin.

Lol,
Fatboy
 
You must be real fun to be around. BTW, i wouldn't get out of the electric-chair to play league pool and since none of the stuff in my area has a referee table-side i'm not going to worry about this petty nittiness any longer. I'm gone with the wind................................

So you are basing my knowledge of the rules to me not being a fun guy? Okayyyy It has noting to do with petty, IT IS THE RULE AS WRITTEN. I meant it's not even a discussion what the rule is, it's right there in the rule book. If you chose to ignore it, and your opponent is OK with it, fine. If one does not ignore it that is also fine. But for sure I would not be mad at someone that pointed out the actual rule or think they were acting improperly. Are you OK if someone gained 9.95 yards for a first down because, hey, it's close enough and who needs to nitpick that small a distance. Or if a ball hits 1" bellow the wall and is not a homerun, I mean we know it was sooo close, who needs the rules? Close hits on a tough 4 rail kick? I know the rules say you need to actually hit the ball, but it was such a hard shot we should let it slide since it was within a mm of the hit anyway. Who decides what rules are OK to ignore or not know? If someone does not know the rules, in a sport, in competition, that is the fault of them and only them if they break it.

Some rules are just bad, like the 3 point rule, it causes more issues than it solves, but when to say someone is on 2 fouls, if you don't know what the difference between "before" or "after" is, it's a elementary grade learning issue not anything bad with the rule. It's no harder to follow the rule than it is not to, it's just more players have the instinct to just say "you're on 2" soon as the second foul is committed, but they forget the rule which states they must also warn the player as that player is coming to the table for the third shot.

There was a situation in snooker where someone made a shot to win a close game, before the cueball stopped rolling they placed the cue on the table, and the cueball hit it, although it was not going to scratch. The ref called the foul and the game to the other player due to the points gained on a foul, was the ref not a fun guy to be with because he followed and knew the rules? The rules state if the balls are in motion, the shot and the game are not over. Let's ignore that one also maybe if it suits someone at sometimes but not other times? I mean what if the ball was close to scratching or if you simply stopped it before it rolled into the pocket? If we ignore one ball rolling why not ignore another ball rolling?

Here is another great example of a rule that seems "petty" and "nitpicking" but it was a rule and was called, who is at fault there? Was the umpire an ass-hole because he knew the rule and saw it broken and was doing his job? Or was the catcher at fault for not knowing the rule?



 
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Right - he had an extension but didn't say the magic word because he was focusing on the pool table instead of the clock. Just give him the ****ing extension.
Exactly. The International 9-ball has it right. Automatically get it when the player goes over. Then deal with the "10 seconds" call out when they don't have one.

I didn't hear Shane, but he clearly turned to the clock and the people manning it, and people on that side of the room said they hear him. But all that shouldn't have even mattered if they did the extensions the way the International does it.

Freddie <~~~ needs 10 extension per rack
 
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