You're thinking of backhand english. When you use cte you are pivoting to center ball so no deflection compensation is needed
I have videos on that too.
CTE automatically corrects stroke issues
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I have videos on that too.
No, the usual rebuttal to your claims.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I may have not explained it well. I'm on the same page as you on pivoting. It's not BHE, it's doing the same thing as pivoting. Without the pivot you aim further away and let the deflection carry the ball over to where it needs to be. With the pivot the deflection is baked in and you can aim where you are aiming. Either way works. You're still canceling the effects of deflection, one by a pivot, one by offsetting the aim point. On said break scenario, I aim to hit the second ball dead center, or in other words the edge of the head ball. No pivot, but simply using the stick to deflect/throw the CB into the center of the head ball.
In the break scenario you're actually aiming straight on dead center at the second ball, but deflection (depending on your stick, this is for my stick) will throw the CB on line to strike the head ball center. You have to adjust where you aim based on the stick. With a pivot and the CTE aim perception, the pivot is canceling the deflection. I'm sure you know that the pivot distance is somewhat "do what works and adjust for your stick" in the book. The reason is because all shafts deflect differently. Stan gives us a range to try with the deflection, but each shaft will be a tad different. This isn't a flaw, it's just adjusting for your personal stick. With a LD shaft I'm almost certain the pivot will be smaller than with a standard maple shaft.
One strength of the pivot in CTE is that it kind of takes some of the guess work out of it. You aim where it says and pivot where it says and it works. With other methods, the deflection aspect isn't addressed other than to say it's a thing and you have to account for it. After enough play with the same stick you don't have to think about it, you've hit enough balls for the "feel" to be there.
The good thing about using the same stick for decades is that much of the calculation comes automatically, we call it feel, and I don't know a better way to describe it. It's not some magical thing or some wishy washy thing, just intimate familiarity with the stick you're using. You can adjust for different table conditions. You do so by feel and experience in dealing with different conditions. If a table banks short, you know what to do. If a cloth is slow, or there is a roll off, you know how to adapt and adjust. Your stick is the same always so the adjustment is done without conscious effort, it's the default.
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The subconscious is more trustworthy than your conscious mind?
This seems like a fairly easy premise to test for when it comes to aiming.
With CTE the pivot is the same regardless of type of pool cue. The pivot in CTE or 90/90 is not based on deflection considerations. You can take ANY pool cue/shaft and get the exact same result with the CTE method of aiming. That result being on the correct center ball shot line.
There is literally no difference in the pivot when using CTE from cue to cue.
I don't know what guess work you are referring to in CTE but the pivot is a mechanical move that is specifically directed. There is no guesswork that I am aware of that the pivot takes out.
If you're guessing at some stage in the process then I submit that you are not doing it right. Even if you choose the wrong perception to start with the pivot will still be used in exactly the same way but the resulting shot line will not be correct for the shot you are facing.
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I know what you said. Except that you characterized it incorrectly as you always do.
Why should you care what I do with another person. I have never once seen you criticize him. As far as I know $30,000 is a pretty serious amount to play for.
I don't think that we need any personally insulting posts. However that post was a generally speculative comment and you deliberately chose to invoke my name in response to it. You should leave my name out of it and honor your word as I have honored mine in regards to you.
And that is precisely because Stan refused to consider anything other than what he believed, which is pretty hardcore. He would even bitch slap his supporters if they strayed off the doctrine. I'd say every one of us started in this thing with an inquiring, open mind and eventually got turned off by the vitriol that would come your way if you didn't just tow their line.
A number of us come from science and engineering backgrounds and are no stranger to complex problems. If we acted like some people here we'd be fired pretty quickly. "Show me the calculations that the bridge is strong enough." Reply: "I can't but I know it will stand even though I don't know why or how. A few cars just went over the new bridge so stop the hating." Response" "OK, clear out your office. You're fired."
Comparing a bridge to aiming in pool is quite silly. Aiming in pool is subjective BECAUSE the task starts and ends in the mind. It can be approached however with objectivity based on the particular references used and the steps to using them.
And let's not be so quick to act like those with science backgrounds get it right all the time.
I'm not a rich man so our definition of a 'high bet' probably differs wildly. However I'm willing to put my potting ability up against yours.
How about all the things you say wrong about CTE. Shouldn’t you be required to offer proof. Why are just allowed to say anything about CTE without providing any proof. “I think “ is not proof and that’s all you got. Hell you can’t even make two balls with the system, that’s how little you know about it.
Stan is the one who did all the actual tests. Stan did all the hands on experiments. Why should he believe nobody’s on AZ who have no clue as to exactly what CTE can and does do. Stan has considered everything and took into account everything as he was doing the actual testing on CTE. He didn’t take a keyboard opinion and whine and bitch on Az for 20 plus years like some of the people on here.
Are you willing to put it up against someone of my choosing? If so tell me how much you want to bet that you think is worth it to set up the contest. Don't know why you are deliberately avoiding what I said. Any two people's pocketing ability is not enough to measure the broad effectiveness of whatever methods they use to aim because of the inherent biases and experiences that can't be accounted for. Also, as we have discussed a jillion times AIMING is NOT POCKETING. Pocketing is EXECUTION of the shot ALONG the chosen shot line. For example I have absolutely no way to tell if you have learned CTE and are using it in conjunction with your likely superior fundamentals. Pat has pointed this out many times that people can lie about what is going in between their ears as they aim. Not calling you a liar, just saying I would have zero way to prove that you were not using an objective aiming system. So I will nominate a person whom I know IS using CTE and whom has excellent fundamentals and just hope that you aren't better than them.
I am going to assume that you are a world class shot maker and so I will nominate a world class shotmaker to have a contest against just you and I will bet up to $5000 on that proposition.
If you want to have an AIMING contest with me then I will bet with you DIRECTLY. I am positive that I can aim shots that go directly to a pocket as well or better than you and am pretty sure I can aim banks better than you. I will try you that way for $100 per shot with shots randomly drawn out of say 200 shots that include 100 direct shots and 100 bank shots. Would you like to do that? Pay off at the end of the 200 shots and loser also picks up all expenses related to setting up this contest.
If, however, you want to bet that ghost ball/feel is more effective than CTE I will bet up to $200,000 on a comprehensive experiment to test that claim. To date not a single person who is vocally critical of CTE aiming has stepped forward to take that bet. None of the scientists, none of the engineers, none of the average players, no one.
Aren't you guys tired of my mouth? I am, so shut me up and bust me into bankruptcy. I know that between all of you there is easily enough money to cover whatever I can bring to the table. I will even up the ante and say loser(s) leave AZB forever and all public pool forums forever or pay a fine of $1000 per post. We can put 10k in escrow to cover it and have disbursement made by our attorneys.
OR.....
We could agree to get together and work it out on the pool table and use our minds to clear up our differences on this subject without the insults and bullshit? For some reason none of you are willing to do that so I am left with the feeling that you all ENJOY the conflict.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Page 108 last paragraph into page 109. Different by different shaft sizes, 3-6mm depending on the shot. It's not the same on different shafts or different shots. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but that's what it looks like it's saying. One would get really good at it really quickly, but it's not a set amount on every shot, at least according to the book. You pivot to the NISL. It may appear to be consistent, as you are aligning to a visual system (no knock, it's smart) but the actual distances will vary per shot. It may be an insignificant variance, but it's there for humans. The real question is, does CTE get you closer and require less adjustments, maybe to the point of not realizing it? Perhaps, but it's conjecture without a test of some type.
Here's a question, let's say a centerball hit won't get you shape. you need high right. How does your pivot change? I know the answer, and of course you can do it pretty simply, but this is one of the big "whatabouts" of doubters. The difference in how you pivot (and place bridge) when using english says a lot about how pivots work. Just because it's visual doesn't mean there's not an adjustment. It's subtle but it's there for anyone to see if they approach it with an open mind.
I have an open mind. Read the paragraph above the one you reference.
The system is for center ball shots. Adding spin requires adjustments but there is nothing in the cte instructions that accounts for the use of spin. Could there be? I think so. I think that this is one of the things that a meeting of the minds could likely figure out.
I mean, if we have values that are reliable then we could use those numbers to base physical steps on I would think. If x-cue has y-deflection then aiming edge to half b/c is right could be an example of how that might look.
In CTE when you use spin it is going to be mostly feel at this time. If you have figured out a way to accurately adjust the pivot that correctly accounts for the spin needed then that is something worth sharing with everyone.
Now, I do use backhand english and so I can go to center ball and add high right simply by pivoting to it after addressing the shot at center ball.
I think that if you see the No Imagination Shot Line as a result of following the steps correctly then the bridge hand v will become a point on that line which means that the pivot just moves the cue onto that line.
I make the ball using CTE every time the balls happen to be lined up to the angle created with the pocket (yes, it creates one angle if done the same way each time) and I miss whenever they are not on that line. It seems you are the one not following the instructions precisely if you make all the balls.
lol. Clear out your office. You're fired. Like I said before you can't expect me to explain everything to you.
You can’t explain anything about CTE because you know nothing about it. You are nothing but a joke in CTE circles
See just how stupid the things you post are. The system design makes all the balls but I’m not using it right if I make all the balls lmao. I guess thousands who have learned the system and make balls and you Dan from AZ who hasn’t learned the system and can’t make two balls with it is right. Let’s all believe Dan, the keyboard opinion guy. So tell us Dan, which angles that line up with the pocket can be used with CTE? With only 6 possible lines with CTE there can’t be vary many in your opinion so back up your opinion with the actual angles that would work.