As soon as we get a semi-hard (did I just say that) confirmation on our next player I will post it up.
Lou Figueroa
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As soon as we get a semi-hard (did I just say that) confirmation on our next player I will post it up.
Lou Figueroa
It amazes me at times how all the things can be messed up over the internet, which could be easily avoided by googling a mere simple fact.
This refers to both the naysayers and BC (as Lou Figueroa likes to refer to - the trouble being this one is impossible to google unless you know what he is about; so please Lou would you be so kind as to type the first name at least when mentioning various people) I mean had Bobby been a little more precise describing Ruslan as a world champion, there might have been less drama over this.
So what google might have brought to your attention, dear pool enthusiasts, is that Ruslan actually did win a World Champion title in pool. Year 2009, place - Nicaragua, and the game was 9-ball. WPA event. Go figure.
OK, you got me.
Lou Figueroa
at Hello
LF,
Can we get some DC’s over to the RC’s so the QC’s can get a little help with the WR?
Thanks
FB
lol, point taken.
Lou Figueroa
You know, the thing with Shane was -- it's Shane.
You get the best American player to kick off the event and it was a perfect opportunity. I mean, who doesn't love to see Shane shoot?! Plus, he sets a benchmark because everyone knows how straight he shoots. So, we were able to get him for a week and he is so amped about the 14.1 run attempts he wants to come back. What's not to like?!
The committee made an exception. Shoot us.
Lou Figueroa
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Don't care.
And, oh BTW, please post up links to all your posted protests about JS' pockets. oops! John Schmidt's pockets.
Lou Figueroa
hope you'all
are happy now : - )
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Nice try to divert
The discussion is not the pockets on the table JS played on, the discussion is your camps deliberate attempt to pull the wool over the publics eyes by boldly stating the table you guys picked was a STOCK GC4 when in fact its GC3, but that has no bearing in the factory stick pocket openings as they're the same anyway so I didn't see a reason to mention it. But to deliberately change the dimensions of the pockets to make them accept balls easier, then flat out lie about that being done....because the cushions were replaced?? Really, thats your best line of bullshit you can come up with?
Just admit the truth and move on with this circus, it falls right in line with making pool popular again, dishonesty always prevails in American pool events!
I thought it was funny
it was 100% in jest. I didn’t know what all the initials meant, so I made up a random post for fun.I’ve very much enjoyed being a 14.1 rail bird
Thx again
No diversion — we’ve tried to be as forthright as we can, to include posting caliper photos.
And so NOW it’s not about John’s run. Puhleeeese. You’d never know that from all the comments in all the related threads, lol. So get back to me when you’ve analyzed and protested Schmidt’s pockets and table with equal verve.
Lou Figueroa
If you want to be forthright, show the measurement of the throat of the pocket, where the deception is at. 5" point to point at the mouth of the pocket don't tell the truth you're doing everything to avoid telling!!! Take them same calipers and measure the throat of the pocket. Better yet, put 2 balls in the mouth of the pocket, then put them side by side at the back of the pocket, post both pictures, that way you don't even need to measure the pockets, the truth will be in the pictures!!!
I don't give a shit about this 14.1 high run circus act in the first place, y all aint doing nothing but chasing ghosts in the first place.
If you really wanted to promote 14.1 then you'd host a competition on a pool table today with oro cut pockets, and establish a NEW world record high run that players from all over the world can chase down in order to try and break it. Instead you all are stuck in the past, and can't stand someone breaking a record held by a ghost!! So intent on breaking a ghosts record, and the record set by a player you won't acknowledge, that you guys would do anything you can to officially set a new record, that you're willing to cheat just to make sure you have every chance possible to pull it off.
The record should be able to be challenged at anytime, thats the thing about records, they mean nothing if they can't be challenged and broken. That requires the record to be broken on equipment with the exact same specifications....and YOU have a one of a kind gaff pool table, Willie set a record on a one of a kind pool table, and so did JS. If you guys were smart, you have done this on a table that has more than ONE built so as to be able to challenge the NEW high run record from almost ANYWHERE on the planet!!!! How stupid, such a wasted opportunity!!!!
Don't you get it, when people own the SAME table in their homes, and want to practice 14.1 because its the NEW challenge, to be able to provide their videos proving they have the skills needed in order to compete in 14.1 events, earning the right to challenge the high run record.....never mind, you missed the boat, that ship has sailed!!!
it seems that all the so called high runs are going to be on different tables with conditions made easier for the person to break the existing high run. there is no standard.
the standard should be a stock commercial table that is mass produced and sold to the general public.
so in effect no high run can in good conscience be called a record officially as it is being attempted by players..
the standard should be a stock commercial table that is mass produced and sold to the general public.
so in effect no high run can in good conscience be called a record officially as it is being attempted by players..
And finally we agree on something, if there's only one table to practice and compete on, how in the hell is that going to help 14.1 grow, let alone pools support of the game!
Unfortunately, in the US, the most commonly used table is made for banks and one pocket, and in tournaments they tend to reduce the pockets even more. At a certain point, the pockets become so difficult that even slight cloth wear will make it impossible (and I do mean that in the absolute, litteral sense) to break 500, and the only solution is to constantly change cloths when attempting to break the record and even that may not be enough. Not to speak of abnormally short cushion rebound, and how that affects the viability of certain breakshots etc..
If there was a standard for straight pool, it should probably be a stock GC or something slightly similar to that, like a Dynamic or a Chinese GC clone of some sort. The cushions should have natural, traditional rebound and the pockets should be similar in cut and slate depth to that of stock GC at a min of 4.75 ideally, possibly a 4.5 inch, but then a normal 4.5 not some deep shelf nonsense. I do not think the brand or even exact pocket size matters as much as having the table perform within a reasonable range of cushion speed, pocket sizes etc. Most importantly, the table should not be SPECIFICALLY made to make balls hang up or bank short. So, if one could make certain criteria, I think that would be better than insisting on absolute brands. There are people who will never be happy, unless every physical part of the players environment is recreated exactly in new record attempts, down to temperature, humidity and so on. Those are people who do not see the bigger picture of how hard running 500 actually is, on any table.
Straight pool is not a tight pocket game. It's a game of creativity and using every part of the pool players arsenal. So, for instance, you should be able to shoot a break shot down the rail, without having the ball hang up. It should be viable to shoot a billiard, a combination or maybe even a bank at some point. If you make the pockets too tight, you will never break Mosconis run. NEVER. Both Mosconis and JS' run were made on tables with generous pockets, and now some of you want the new record holder to not only break a record that stood for half a century, but go beyond to the new number, on much more difficult pockets and tables that are not playing correctly? It's like they suddenly decided that the mens 100 meter sprint in the olympics from now on should be uphill at a 10% incline, knee deep in mud, and still expect the record to be broken. Not only that, but some people with pool players mindsets would then talk about how much better previous generations of sprinters were..If they were proper into the pool player culture, they'd probably suggest breaking the runners legs just to increase the challenge.This game and the people in it, man....You just can't win.
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He does have a point about the pocket dimension details. Even to get a training certificate from DR. Dave table and pocket dimensions are required.
If the table in this challenge has alterations then the promotion should be transparent. Otherwise this might appear to just be a quick attempt to set a new record (at any cost).
Re pocket configurations, the proof of the pudding can be found in the eating. There's video so far of what, about 4000 shots? While these guys hit the center of the pocket almost every time, it's not every time. Anybody remember any balls rattling? I vaguely recall seeing one shot (I think RC*) that I thought wouldn't have gone on any Gold Crowns I usually play on. (Yes I should go back and try to find that. But I'm not going to.)
* Ruslan Chinakhov
* Ruslan Chinakhov
You are very correct about the current situation with pool tables in this country and the general nature of the game of 14.1.
Almost every serious pool room has had their GCs tightened up for 1pocket and other games by local mechanics. Out on the west coast, I've played on tables tightened up by Oscar Dominguez to *very tight* specs. Years ago, along came Diamond with their standard 4 1/2" pockets with many rooms further modifying them to 4 1/8".
But what we are trying to do is recreate a table that plays more like a 1950's era table when Willie was traveling around the country running countless 100's. I grew up playing on old school Brunswicks at The Palace and Cochran's in San Francisco, and the pockets on those tables were "generous," even more so than what we've set up. Look at any video from the 50's to the 60's and you're likely to see huge, yawning pockets.
I think our table plays close to a standard Brunswick of the 50's but it is no where as loose as it could have been. If we really wanted to go that way we could have found an old American Shuffleboard or Rebco table.
Lou Figueroa
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