SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts

[realkingcobra]

What did Lou do? He posted just about everything about the table including pictures. JS has not shown any pictures or videos at all for anyone to see the exact table conditions he played on. Im I correct or please correct me where you have seen any video or any pictures anywhere that are shown of the table JS played on. If you have some pictures from JS table please post them and compare to the table we are using. Thanks for your time. Have a nice day.

What you have had done to the table in question has nothing to do with the table John played on. It does however speak volumes as to the lengths you're willing to go to in order to give every player competeting in your event a helping hand by making sure the pockets on the table take balls in that stood a chance of being missed on a stock Gold Crown with 5" corner pockets, by gaffing the pockets to accept balls more easily.

 

[wrldpro]

What you have had done to the table in question has nothing to do with the table John played on. It does however speak volumes as to the lengths you're willing to go to in order to give every player competeting in your event a helping hand by making sure the pockets on the table take balls in that stood a chance of being missed on a stock Gold Crown with 5" corner pockets, by gaffing the pockets to accept balls more easily.

Answer this question without deflecting to something else so the pool world can know your knowledge.
Glen what are the measurements of a Gold Crown 3 where the pocket meet the rail cloth. You called it the throat of the pocket. Please inform all of us your opinion or your 39 years experience to this measurement. Thanks

 

[realkingcobra]

Glen what are the measurements of a Gold Crown 3 where the picket meet the rail cloth. You called it the throat of the pocket. Please inform all of us your opinion or your 39 years experience to this measurement. Thanks

Stock 5" pockets on a GC3 have a miter angle of 142/143 variable because Brunswick couldn't hold the same miter angle on both sides of the corner pockets for what ever reason.

But, starting from the point of the corner pocket on each side, if the pockets are parallel to each other the miter angles would be 135 degrees, meaning cut at a 45 degree miter, making both sides equal at the mouth and throat of the pocket, which in turn deflects the balls being pocketed deeper into the throat, hence, pocketing balls more easily.

At 142 degrees miter on both pocket angles creates a funnel effect, meaning the throat opening gets tighter/smaller the further back a ball goes.

Each degree is equal to a 1/16" of a change in pocket opening per side, so the throat of the pocket at the pocket casting would measure no larger than 4 1/4". That means 2 balls placed in the pocket opening wouldn't touch each other in the mouth of the pocket, but wouldn't pass by each other either in the throat because the throat of the pocket isn't wide enough to allow that. That is what was changed on this table, the throat of the pocket was widened purposely to accept balls that might not go in otherwise, and that takes intent, and don't happen just because the rail cushions were replaced.

 

[realkingcobra]

Answer this question without deflecting to something else so the pool world can know your knowledge.
Glen what are the measurements of a Gold Crown 3 where the pocket meet the rail cloth. You called it the throat of the pocket. Please inform all of us your opinion or your 39 years experience to this measurement. Thanks

Now that I've explained the difference in stock pocket openings, take those calipers that were used to show the mouth opening, and measure the throat of the pocket as far back as the cloth on the facing goes, or better yet, place 2 balls side by side in the throat of the pocket as far back as they'll sit without falling in, that'll make for a good picture, and clearly show how big the throat of the pocket it.

Like I said, this is YOUR table, the one YOU want everyone to see the high run record broke on. The table John played on has NOTHING to do with how YOUR table was set up.

 

[lfigueroa]

Yes, seriously, the joke is on you because you didn't think anyone would catch onto the altered pocket openings and that all you had to do was show they were 5" stock pocket openings!!

Catch on to what?

That we didn't use a hands model, lmao. Look, I don't know who's hands they are and I'm not going to even bother trying to find out.

Lou Figueroa
whew

 

[lfigueroa]

The same people that made an issue and made accusations of JS manipulating the table the high run record was set on have now gaffed up the table to attempt high runs on.

Most people dont care about the table specs, just the blatant hypocrisy.

Baloney and I'll ask you the same thing I have asked others: show me where I have made accusations.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Stock 5" pockets on a GC3 have a miter angle of 142/143 variable because Brunswick couldn't hold the same miter angle on both sides of the corner pockets for what ever reason.

But, starting from the point of the corner pocket on each side, if the pockets are parallel to each other the miter angles would be 135 degrees, meaning cut at a 45 degree miter, making both sides equal at the mouth and throat of the pocket, which in turn deflects the balls being pocketed deeper into the throat, hence, pocketing balls more easily.

At 142 degrees miter on both pocket angles creates a funnel effect, meaning the throat opening gets tighter/smaller the further back a ball goes.

Each degree is equal to a 1/16" of a change in pocket opening per side, so the throat of the pocket at the pocket casting would measure no larger than 4 1/4". That means 2 balls placed in the pocket opening wouldn't touch each other in the mouth of the pocket, but wouldn't pass by each other either in the throat because the throat of the pocket isn't wide enough to allow that. That is what was changed on this table, the throat of the pocket was widened purposely to accept balls that might not go in otherwise, and that takes intent, and don't happen just because the rail cushions were replaced.

And you expect me and everyone else to accept this because you say so?!

Show me caliper photos on a stock, straight from the factory GC3.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Fatboy]

Pocket dimensions don’t discredit a high run.

 

[Black-Balled]

The same people that made an issue and made accusations of JS manipulating the table the high run record was set on have now gaffed up the table to attempt high runs on.

Most people dont care about the table specs, just the blatant hypocrisy.

Correct. Pick a side.

If there's no standard for one, same should apply to all.

If one can't accept it for one, he shouldn't accept it from another.

 

[lfigueroa]

Now that I've explained the difference in stock pocket openings, take those calipers that were used to show the mouth opening, and measure the throat of the pocket as far back as the cloth on the facing goes, or better yet, place 2 balls side by side in the throat of the pocket as far back as they'll sit without falling in, that'll make for a good picture, and clearly show how big the throat of the pocket it.

Like I said, this is YOUR table, the one YOU want everyone to see the high run record broke on. The table John played on has NOTHING to do with how YOUR table was set up.

I actually have those photos sitting on my desktop at the moment, have had them for quite a while -- but the truth is that nothing will make you happy so there they will remain for the time being.

And John's table has everything to do with our table IF you're going to make an issue of the pocket specs. IF you want to disparage our table then there must be consideration of the table specifications John set a BCA certified record on. And IF you're not willing to take that on then I politely ask you to go piss up a rope.

If John's Rebco table was good enough for the BCA I doubt they'll have any issues with ours. And frankly, from the video I've seen of his run attempts, I'm very happy with the specs on our GC3 in comparison. But of course we'll never know for sure now, will we.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Matt_24]

Oh how original.
Why were you the 1st person and so quick to reply to my comment? Well then dont be so concerned and move along somewhere else. You are not contributing anything to the event so stay out of our business then you wont have any problems with us. Quite simple to do.

Bobby,

I think just running this awesome event at Deon's academy...and not discussing it on AZBilliards at all would have been best. Some people can't help being toxic. They observe, and complain, about something...anything. Yet, they do nothing. I appreciate the streams and everything you and Deon are doing. Please keep it up!

Matt

 

[lfigueroa]

What you have had done to the table in question has nothing to do with the table John played on. It does however speak volumes as to the lengths you're willing to go to in order to give every player competeting in your event a helping hand by making sure the pockets on the table take balls in that stood a chance of being missed on a stock Gold Crown with 5" corner pockets, by gaffing the pockets to accept balls more easily.

You can say that all you want but it is not so.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Bobby,

I think just running this awesome event at Deon's academy...and not discussing it on AZBilliards at all would have been best. Some people can't help being toxic. They observe, and complain, about something...anything. Yet, they do nothing. I appreciate the streams and everything you and Deon are doing. Please keep it up!

Matt

lol, checking my last pay stub for this gig… not such a bad idea.

Lou Figueroa

 

[realkingcobra]

You can say that all you want but it is not so.

Lou Figueroa

I never expected a truthful response from anyone in your camp, ut I did expect the deflection away from actually answering my requests.

 

[realtor1618]

This is false information. We have been transparent about our table and showed pictures and live video. Now where is any of this from John's table? Who know his pockets could have been 3 5 inches or 6 inches.

He made an accusation of hypocrisy. Can you explain why you chose to run your current event, under very similar conditions that you previously thought, were totally disrespectful to the game? As you said below in another thread.

No sir it was to Mr. Logical after he thought it was funny to call me a stooge.. !56 is a incredible run and congrats on it. Mizerak told me he would like to avg. 40 balls every time he got to the table. Makes alot of sense to me. Its just crazy that people don't understand What it takes to make high runs.How much easier it is when you have a table custom doctored to make the balls fall in when they shouldn't and just hang at the holes not to mention 760 Simonis cloth and pulling the balls off the table many, many times after the run has started and polishing them which makes the conditions stay the same the whole way through the run and never making the run get harder. People that have never run many balls don't understand these variables they only think of the ball count. I myself as a player that has broke 100 balls hundreds of times feels it is totally disrespectful to the game to obviously cheat by making such conditions that would never ever ever ever ever ever be such conditions in any Tournament or anywhere else. Not 1 person in history has had such conditions set up like this for any reason but Schmidt. So if conditions don't matter than how come Schmidt has never broke 300 on a pro diamond table which is less than half of the 626 and he has tried on a Diamond for about 10-15 years. Point proven

 

[realkingcobra]

Pocket dimensions don’t discredit a high run.

You're right, but it still should have been made public knowledge that the pockets were modified from original stock pockets, they're the ones who made it a point to show the pocket openings at 5" like that should mean some kind of credibility to what they're doing. My bitch is going out if the way to tell everyone, 'and by the way, these are REAL 5" corner pockets, see the measurements" for credibility purposes....

Only, they didn't give full disclosure to the public. Now anyone out here with table having 5" corner pockets is thinking they have the same table at home that this event was played on.....only thing is, they don't!!!

 

[pt109]

I never expected a truthful response from anyone in your camp, ut I did expect the deflection away from actually answering my requests.

When I called this contest a vendetta...baseless accusations was mentioned.

 

[realkingcobra]

You can say that all you want but it is not so.

Lou Figueroa

There's plenty of AZB members here that have stock GC's with 5" corner pockets, don't have to be a GC3, can be any GC with 5" pockets, they can easily take a picture of their pockets and post them up here just to call out your BS. Hell, even a GC4 or 5 has the same 5" corner pockets unless the 5 is the tournament edition, which are 4 9/16" openings.

 

[skip100]

He made an accusation of hypocrisy. Can you explain why you chose to run your current event, under very similar conditions that you previously thought, were totally disrespectful to the game? As you said below in another thread:

No sir it was to Mr. Logical after he thought it was funny to call me a stooge.. !56 is a incredible run and congrats on it. Mizerak told me he would like to avg. 40 balls every time he got to the table. Makes alot of sense to me. Its just crazy that people don't understand What it takes to make high runs.How much easier it is when you have a table custom doctored to make the balls fall in when they shouldn't and just hang at the holes not to mention 760 Simonis cloth and pulling the balls off the table many, many times after the run has started and polishing them which makes the conditions stay the same the whole way through the run and never making the run get harder. People that have never run many balls don't understand these variables they only think of the ball count. I myself as a player that has broke 100 balls hundreds of times feels it is totally disrespectful to the game to obviously cheat by making such conditions that would never ever ever ever ever ever be such conditions in any Tournament or anywhere else. Not 1 person in history has had such conditions set up like this for any reason but Schmidt. So if conditions don't matter than how come Schmidt has never broke 300 on a pro diamond table which is less than half of the 626 and he has tried on a Diamond for about 10-15 years. Point proven

I loved getting to watch the pool, but I am also loving how these guys expect people to forget how they trolled John mercilessly with every accusation under the sun.

This doesn't take away from the enjoyment of the stream, it adds to it

 

[realkingcobra]

This is false information. We have been transparent about our table and showed pictures and live video. Now where is any of this from John's table? Who know his pockets could have been 3 5 inches or 6 inches. Please know facts

You had done to this table the very thing you accused John of doing to the table he was playing on, only difference is I didn't see the pocket configuration in the table he played on, but u DID how ever catch it on yours!!