VNEA Pattern racking 8-ball

My question to all the people replying with their own way of pattern racking is WHY?
Don't you want to actually play pool, break and run a rack, move clusters, break out problem balls?
I lose faith in the community more and more when people post about "just wanted to cover my ass when I do this"
 
I would like to rack my own in 8 ball but do not want my opponent to rack his own.

How did this turn into a 9 ball racking post?
 
u12armresl said:
My question to all the people replying with their own way of pattern racking is WHY?
Don't you want to actually play pool, break and run a rack, move clusters, break out problem balls?
I lose faith in the community more and more when people post about "just wanted to cover my ass when I do this"
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This is why the rules get to be 40 pages long to think of any small thing the players may do to manipulate the game loopholes. Hit the balls hard, don't rack in a specific pattern, don't climb on the table, hit the correct ball, use the correct ball as the cueball, don't smack balls around the table, etc... It's like idiot warning labels on products they need to put on to make sure you are aware that your coffee may be hot and don't eat the laundry detergent, if it's not there someone will use that to try to get away with something.
 
u12armresl said:
My question to all the people replying with their own way of pattern racking is WHY?
Don't you want to actually play pool, break and run a rack, move clusters, break out problem balls?
I lose faith in the community more and more when people post about "just wanted to cover my ass when I do this"
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Are you for real? Do you play any other sports? Rules are rules for a reason and if it's not a rule it's not cheating it's knowing how to make the best of your abilities. So what you are saying is you use a house cue for breaking and shooting because you want basic? In golf you know the rules so you can do what you need to give yourself the vest odds of making a shot. So some people don't know you have options of 2 club lengths or stroke and distance. If it was illegal it would say in rule book and if it isn't in rules then anyone is allowed without people like you complaining.

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northshoremb said:
Are you for real? Do you play any other sports? Rules are rules for a reason and if it's not a rule it's not cheating it's knowing how to make the best of your abilities. So what you are saying is you use a house cue for breaking and shooting because you want basic? In golf you know the rules so you can do what you need to give yourself the vest odds of making a shot. So some people don't know you have options of 2 club lengths or stroke and distance. If it was illegal it would say in rule book and if it isn't in rules then anyone is allowed without people like you complaining.

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The biggest issue here is that pretty much every other league and tournament rule set is making sure that pattern racking was removed and addressed as an undesirable thing. So the VNEA rules not mentioning it does not mean it's a "good" thing there, just not looked at yet. It's like if stealing was legal at one point, then 49 states made it illegal and people started to move to that 50th state. I would find the intentions of those people a bit suspect LOL
 
hang-the-9 said:
The biggest issue here is that pretty much every other league and tournament rule set has make sure that pattern racking was removed. So the VNEA rules not mentioning it does not mean it's a "good" thing there, just not looked at yet. It's like if stealing was legal, then 49 states made it illegal and people started to move to that 50th state. I would find their actions suspect LOL
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Some sanctions you need to break from a box and some you don't. Some have ball in hand after break foul and Some need behind the line, Some allow jump cues and Some don't, Some allow phenolic tips and some don't, some leagues you rack and others opponents rack. What I mean is every league is different so as long as you are playing by the rules it's legal and shouldn't say just break the balls and make your break ups.

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northshoremb said:
Are you for real? Do you play any other sports? Rules are rules for a reason and if it's not a rule it's not cheating it's knowing how to make the best of your abilities. So what you are saying is you use a house cue for breaking and shooting because you want basic? In golf you know the rules so you can do what you need to give yourself the vest odds of making a shot. So some people don't know you have options of 2 club lengths or stroke and distance. If it was illegal it would say in rule book and if it isn't in rules then anyone is allowed without people like you complaining.

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You can twist this and make it anything you would like.
This has nothing to do with a tip, or a jump stick, you know that.
If I had a guess, you would be all for someone entering their name in a tournament as Billy Burge and going for $5 in the calcutta as opposed to the name everyone knows him by.

I, and frankly anyone I know who plays pool, want to break the balls and run out.
That does not include keeping all colors in one very small area so that I can continually have the same out.
I break them hard, and play from there.
 
u12armresl said:
You can twist this and make it anything you would like.
This has nothing to do with a tip, or a jump stick, you know that.
If I had a guess, you would be all for someone entering their name in a tournament as Billy Burge and going for $5 in the calcutta as opposed to the name everyone knows him by.

I, and frankly anyone I know who plays pool, want to break the balls and run out.
That does not include keeping all colors in one very small area so that I can continually have the same out.
I break them hard, and play from there.
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Oh boy, you really one of those people. It's your way or else everything else is wrong. You are an elitist who thinks pool should only be played 1 way and even if it's LEGAL you frown upon it and say it's not right

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Well I just had a reply back from the VNEA and it's 100% LEGAL.
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Bob Jewett said:
That doesn't really answer the question, or at least not the question as I see it. That question is: "Is the racker permitted to order the balls in the rack to gain an advantage?"
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Yes he said only rule is what's stated. Said can position remain balls anywhere you want when I was on phone with him

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At the local bar we have 2 Valley 6.5 tables. The balls are old and of different size.
I find that to get a tight rack I have to interchange several balls in order that the whole front of the rack has all balls touching.

Does the interchanging of these balls constitute "patterning" ?
 
MitchAlsup said:
At the local bar we have 2 Valley 6.5 tables. The balls are old and of different size.
I find that to get a tight rack I have to interchange several balls in order that the whole front of the rack has all balls touching.

Does the interchanging of these balls constitute "patterning" ?
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You can place tge balls anyway you want as long as 8 ball is in the right spot and either corner are opposite suit as per VP of VNEA. So you can place the remaining 12 balls in any position you want

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northshoremb said:
If it's Legal to do then it's not cheating. Quit being an Elitist and saying anything that you don't like is cheating. It's the same as guys Hati g on jump cues but as li g as they are legal then it's legal...enough
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While there is some truth to what you say within reason and not taken too far, not everything that would be wrong to do in pool or in life is covered by rules or laws and in fact a significant portion is not. I am pretty sure there is not any specific rule against giving your opponent ex-lax before your set and telling him it is hershey's, and yet it would be wrong to do if done to gain an advantage. Things aren't just wrong or right because rules and laws do or don't say so, and you can't just automatically say anything not excluded by a rule is automatically ok by default. It doesn't work that way. Things are largely inherently wrong or right regardless and independent of what the rules or laws say.

The person that cares about morality and their character will always ask themselves "is this wrong or right" and the answer to that question will be almost the sole guide to the decision they choose to make in the matter. The person who does not care about morality and their character will only tend to care about things such as "is this against the rules or not" (and half the time they really don't even care about that) because all they really care about is trying to find a way to benefit themselves, and any excuse they can try to find to try to justify doing wrong for self benefit is a good enough excuse for them.
 
Cheating would be trying to get an advantage on opponent to something he isn't able to do nd you try to do secretly If someone racks all the suits together its obvious and the opponent can see and try it himself. If he chooses not to that's there issue. I've never cheated in any competitive sport in my life and play within the rules thays why I asked VNEA themselves for clarification and said you can rack any way you want as long as the wing balls are opposite and 8 is in its spot
 
northshoremb said:
But it's not wrong and opponents have same option to do
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Again, the person that thinks that everything that is not prevented by a rule or a law is automatically perfectly ok is a sh!t person with sh!t character. If that is your belief, which it seems to be since whether there is a rule against something seems to be the only thing you care about, then it is clear what type of person you are (see the previous sentence if you've forgotten already).
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Again, the person that thinks that everything that is not prevented by a rule or a law is automatically perfectly ok is a sh!t person with sh!t character. If that is your belief, which it seems to be since whether there is a rule against it seems to be the only thing you care about, then it is clear what type of person you are (see the previous sentence if you've forgotten already).
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You can say that about anything. You can say the guy who doesn't have money for good equipment and has to play with house cue has a disadvantage and the guy with the $1000 cue should feel ashamed. The guy who knows how to jump should be ashamed doing it in a match against a guy who doesn't jump. Where does the line end in saying people have shit character and bend the rules? If it was frowned upon VNEA would have told me straight up but in email and on the phone says it's 100% allowed

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northshoremb said:
You can say that about anything. You can say the guy who doesn't have money for good equipment and has to play with house cue has a disadvantage and the guy with the $1000 cue should feel ashamed. The guy who knows how to jump should be ashamed doing it in a match against a guy who doesn't jump. Where does the line end in saying people have shit character and bend the rules? If it was frowned upon VNEA would have told me straight up but in email and on the phone says it's 100% allowed
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Part of the difference between things is that some violate the spirit of the game and its intentions, and some do not. But if you in general really can't tell right from wrong, and instead have to rely solely on rules for your guidance and everything that isn't explicitly against a rule is always A-ok in your world, then you obviously also had sh!t parents that did a sh!t job.
 
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