The Legendary Pearl to Take On 14.1 Attempts

realkingcobra said:
With a 480 high run, where's Earl's championships in 14.1? That claimed high run is higher than Nick Varner's, Allen Hopkins, and Mike Segal's, yet they have all won the world title in 14.1 and Earl hasn't???

Sigel has won over 100 professional pool tournaments in his career as well as over 40 major titles, making him one of the most successful players of all time winning multiple world pocket billiard championship titles, in all divisions, including Nine-ball, Eight-ball and Straight pool (14.1)
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kanzzo said:
if you need 70 weeks to reach 400+ and are motivated to put in the hours, than reaching 400+ is possible.
with same math 500+ would be 770 weeks or 15 years. Could get lucky once in a lifetime putting ton of hours just playing straight pool but it's tougher. 600+ would take 165 years. Given that you play top level pool around 20 years between 28 and 48 this would be 1/8 reaching 625 once in your lifetime dedicating your life to it. 700+ would be 1/90 in your lifetime so chances are, you give up and don't go for it 20 years of your life...

for reaching 1000 for Earl the math predicts 26 000 000 000 attempts. It's way lower than your 1/100,000
You would need (as Earl) put your average for reaching 100 way below 1 in 3. And this is where this math is helpfull. You don't need to try for a year first to see, how much you could reach after a year. 1 week is more than enough.
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And I don't care how many attempts a person has, if they don't see the patterns and flow through rack after rack, instead of flailing their arms in the air like they're drowning, they'll always be cut short on their runs, the law of average is against them trying to pile drive their way into high runs!
 
A lot of members here are saying Earl is shooting too fast, and that is one of the reasons his patterns are bad. I don't buy that. I agree his patterns are bad. But he shoots that fast all the time. His 9 ball patterns are jam up (and yes, you can have horrible 9 ball patterns...). He's just a fast thinker. Its not a detriment to his game. Filler shoots just as fast, and Ruslan seems to also. Both of those player have way better straight pool patterns. And if we go back in time, the old straight pool players were flying around the table. Hence, its not the speed.

IMO:)
 
realkingcobra said:
With a 480 high run, where's Earl's championships in 14.1? That claimed high run is higher than Nick Varner's, Allen Hopkins, and Mike Segal's, yet they have all won the world title in 14.1 and Earl hasn't???

Sigel has won over 100 professional pool tournaments in his career as well as over 40 major titles, making him one of the most successful players of all time winning multiple world pocket billiard championship titles, in all divisions, including Nine-ball, Eight-ball and Straight pool (14.1)
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Whatever, dude. No one can validate his claim of 480, nor can they invalidate it. Some of us think it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Earl could run 400+. You obviously don’t. Get over it. Move on. Earl’s week is done. You can save your vitriol for the next legend of the game to come along and give their time to the people organizing this event, to us the viewers, and to the game of 14.1.
 
iusedtoberich said:
A lot of members here are saying Earl is shooting too fast, and that is one of the reasons his patterns are bad. I don't buy that. I agree his patterns are bad. But he shoots that fast all the time. His 9 ball patterns are jam up (and yes, you can have horrible 9 ball patterns...). He's just a fast thinker. Its not a detriment to his game. Filler shoots just as fast, and Ruslan seems to also. Both of those player have way better straight pool patterns. And if we go back in time, the old straight pool players were flying around the table. Hence, its not the speed.

IMO:)
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I agee, speed is ok as long as you're working the rack with the least amount of effort possible, not chasing balls down, or moving them around creating other clusters.
 
Shuddy said:
Whatever, dude. No one can validate his claim of 480, nor can they invalidate it. Some of us think it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Earl could run 400+. You obviously don’t. Get over it. Move on. Earl’s week is done. You can save your vitriol for the next legend of the game to come along and give their time to the people organizing this event, to us the viewers, and to the game of 14.1.
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Do you belong to the flat Earth society too
 
iusedtoberich said:
A lot of members here are saying Earl is shooting too fast, and that is one of the reasons his patterns are bad. I don't buy that. I agree his patterns are bad. But he shoots that fast all the time. His 9 ball patterns are jam up (and yes, you can have horrible 9 ball patterns...). He's just a fast thinker. Its not a detriment to his game. Filler shoots just as fast, and Ruslan seems to also. Both of those player have way better straight pool patterns. And if we go back in time, the old straight pool players were flying around the table. Hence, its not the speed.

IMO:)
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Right, but players like Filler and especially Ruslan play quickly with control. There’s a tempo. Earl does this kind of zero feathering not even down on the cue thing where he just jabs at an unmissable ball and proceeds to miss it.
 
realkingcobra said:
Filler, win the world 9 ball championship younger than Earl, and against a much more competitive international field of players the likes Earl never faced in his 20's
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I think Filler might be a hair better as well at 21.

Let’s see how the next 15 years shake out.

In anycase they are both super amazing players
 
realkingcobra said:
And I don't care how many attempts a person has, if they don't see the patterns and flow through rack after rack, instead of flailing their arms in the air like they're drowning, they'll always be cut short on their runs, the law of average is against them trying to pile drive their way into high runs!
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the math is saying mostly the same as you do. Numbers mostly don't lie

flow through rack after rack like the great Mosconi corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 2 tries, that's 32 attempts to shoot 500+
flow through rack after rack like John Schmidt corresponds to roughly 100+ roughly 1 in 3 tries, that 320 attempts to beat 525
flailing their arms in the air like they're drowning like Strickland corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 11 tries, that's 100,000 attemts to shoot 480. Too bad to win straight pool championships but possible to shoot 400+ more than once in a lifetime. If we tweak the numbers in favor of Strickland 20 years younger to something like 1 in 7 than 480 would be 11,388 attempts or one year of full time practice. So possible
 
realkingcobra said:
With a 480 high run, where's Earl's championships in 14.1? That claimed high run is higher than Nick Varner's, Allen Hopkins, and Mike Segal's, yet they have all won the world title in 14.1 and Earl hasn't???

Sigel has won over 100 professional pool tournaments in his career as well as over 40 major titles, making him one of the most successful players of all time winning multiple world pocket billiard championship titles, in all divisions, including Nine-ball, Eight-ball and Straight pool (14.1)
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there was no US Open 14.1 (or 14.1 world championships) between 1992 and 2000. Tough to win straight pool tournaments if there aren't any ;)
And no question, Strickland's straight pool game is relatively weak (compared to his 9 ball or to the players he had to compete against like Mizerac or Ortmann / Hohnmann)
 
kanzzo said:
the math is saying mostly the same as you do. Numbers mostly don't lie

flow through rack after rack like the great Mosconi corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 2 tries, that's 32 attempts to shoot 500+
flow through rack after rack like John Schmidt corresponds to roughly 100+ roughly 1 in 3 tries, that 320 attempts to beat 525
flailing their arms in the air like they're drowning like Strickland corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 11 tries, that's 100,000 attemts to shoot 480. Too bad to win straight pool championships but possible to shoot 400+ more than once in a lifetime. If we tweak the numbers in favor of Strickland 20 years younger to something like 1 in 7 than 480 would be 11,388 attempts or one year of full time practice. So possible
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I’m not an Earl fan, and I actually think he should have been banned from professional events on numerous occasions (whatever professional means in the context of pool). However, Earl does seem to have, more so than many others players, the occasional combination of being in the zone and hitting a kind of murderous manic zealous gear (manic perhaps being more than metaphoric in this case). It’s hard to account for that in data.
 
Shuddy said:
So you’re the one who, without any evidence, 100% believes that Earl didn’t run 480, and I’m the one who says we can neither validate nor invalidate that claim because we lack sufficient evidence. And I’m the flat-earther?
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Its Earl's responsibility to provide the proof, not my responsibility to believe what ever he's said blindly.
 
Shuddy said:
So you’re the one who, without any evidence, 100% believes that Earl didn’t run 480, and I’m the one who says we can neither validate nor invalidate that claim because we lack sufficient evidence. And I’m the flat-earther?
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Shuddy said:
So you’re the one who, without any evidence, 100% believes that Earl didn’t run 480, and I’m the one who says we can neither validate nor invalidate that claim because we lack sufficient evidence. And I’m the flat-earther?
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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't run 480, what kind of shit is that? So you believe he DID, until someone provides PROOF that he DIDN'T?? How stupid.
 
wrldpro said:
What happen to your making your last post in this thread as you said? You wanna talk about telling the truth? No one needs to hear you trying to educate anyone. Are your bedsheets wet again or your diaper not leak yet geez.
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As the originator of this circus, at least pursue the 14.1 champions, because you're wasting your time trying to pick players that have little, or no knowledge of the game. Oh, and as much as you try to discredit JS's 626 see what you can do with keeping the scoring accurate during this circus act, constantly correcting the scores looks a little suspicious, know what I mean, like, questionable, believable!!
 
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kanzzo said:
the math is saying mostly the same as you do. Numbers mostly don't lie

flow through rack after rack like the great Mosconi corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 2 tries, that's 32 attempts to shoot 500+
flow through rack after rack like John Schmidt corresponds to roughly 100+ roughly 1 in 3 tries, that 320 attempts to beat 525
flailing their arms in the air like they're drowning like Strickland corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 11 tries, that's 100,000 attemts to shoot 480. Too bad to win straight pool championships but possible to shoot 400+ more than once in a lifetime. If we tweak the numbers in favor of Strickland 20 years younger to something like 1 in 7 than 480 would be 11,388 attempts or one year of full time practice. So possible
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Only if he quit playing 9 ball for a year, and we all know that didn't happen.
 
kanzzo said:
the math is saying mostly the same as you do. Numbers mostly don't lie

flow through rack after rack like the great Mosconi corresponds to 100+ roughly 1 in 2 tries, that's 32 attempts to shoot 500+
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Just curious where is the data for you to estimate Mosconi could run 100 balls one out of every two tries? That sounds a bit high.
 
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wrldpro said:
What happen to your making your last post in this thread as you said? You wanna talk about telling the truth? No one needs to hear you trying to educate anyone. Are your bedsheets wet again or your diaper not leak yet geez.
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And you know what, the minute you decided to make them circus pockets parallel angles with 5" openings from front to back, you screwed the players with the increased ability to scratch the cue ball, instead of avoiding the scratch. Take a look at your statistics, you'll see the scratches far outweigh the balls missed in the pockets. Runs end because a) no ball is playable, b) completely missed the pocket, c) miscues, D) scratched the cue ball!!!

How many runs over 100 have been ended by a cue ball scratch????
 
realkingcobra said:
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't run 480, what kind of shit is that? So you believe he DID, until someone provides PROOF that he DIDN'T?? How stupid.
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Ah, I see the problem here; basic reading comprehension. Sorry, let me be clear. Validate means to prove something is real, true, factual. Invalidate is to prove that something is NOT real, true, factual. Evidence is some form of information that supports a statement or theory. I’ll rephrase what I said for you:

We can not say that Earl did or did not make 480 because we don’t have any proof that supports either of those statements.

EDIT: You’re probably going to say that his performance this week is evidence to support the statement that he did not run 480, and some people would say that at 60 years old, his performance this week shows that it’s possible he could have run 480 when he was in his prime. Neither of these are evidence that prove or disprove the assertion that Earl ran 480.

I think it was Fatboy that said earlier in this thread that your offline persona is much more pleasant than your online persona. That may be the case, and I can see that coming through in some of your contributions. For example, in the thread about someone making a replica of the Diamond ball polisher, you were initially combative and insulting towards anyone trying to figure out the workings of your design. However, after a few posts, your passion for design and problem solving got the better of you, and you ended up helping the guy by providing useful tips and information.

But here’s the thing. The people running this event have given 100s of hours towards organizing it. They have put a lot of their own money on the line as an incentive for legends of the game to play straight pool, a game that has failed to prosper in the modern era. They have provided a venue for the players to do this. They are spending hours a day maintaining the equipment, scoring, and racking the balls so the players can focus on playing straight pool. They are streaming all of this for free and for our enjoyment, learning, and entertainment. The steams are attracting hundreds of viewers for hours on end and generating conversation and excitement for the game of straight pool.

And you have repeatedly called the event a “circus”, showing no appreciation for all of the above facts, and insulting the organizers and the people who are enjoying this event. Your keyboard antics allow you to voice your opinions without threat of ramification, revealing what are probably genuine thoughts.

You’re being a dick. Stop it.
 
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realkingcobra said:
As the originator of this circus, at least pursue the 14.1 champions, because you're wasting your time trying to pick players that have little, or no knowledge of the game. Oh, and as much as you try to discredit JS's 626 see what you can do with keeping the scoring accurate during this circus act, constantly correcting the scores looks a little suspicious, know what I mean, like, questionable, believable!!
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Again and again don't be concerned about who participates in the event. No one cares about your opinion at all. Go run your own event it's that simple. Are you broke? If not than put your money and time together and you can be right on your way.
 
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