How do you go about suing a cue builder? Just want to get my cue back.

sometimes it works that you let him know you are going to start actions to get him to return the cue.

like you will;

call the police frequently
will file a fraud charge with the local district attorney as its a felony
will sue in court for damages and punitive damages
will file with the post office he has defrauded you through the mail and its a federal felony.
will send a post card to all his neighbors asking if he is still alive as he has stolen your 3K billiard stick and wont send it back.
will write letters to the editors of all newspapers around
will start billing for fees and interest and have a credit agency get involved
let him know you will be contacting all his relatives to find out how to get your cue back
you will post his name on all social media including all pool sites.

give him a short time frame to send the cue back or it will automatically start and not stop.

that starts to make you more of a bother to him than your cue is worth unless he has stolen it already and its gone.
 
Check your time lines when did you stop getting responses make sure there wasn't a natural disaster in cue makers state around this time. You might go visit his shop only o find a pile of rubble.
 
RingKing said:
Check your time lines when did you stop getting responses make sure there wasn't a natural disaster in cue makers state around this time. You might go visit his shop only o find a pile of rubble.
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Pretty sure this guy is in Fla. No disasters there that i know of.
 
Tell him you will post his name and story on every pool forum in the pool world, and on his Facebook page. Destroy his business if there is any. Stay away, last thing you need is in person conflict. That ends with police and civil lawsuits.
 
RingKing said:
Check your time lines when did you stop getting responses make sure there wasn't a natural disaster in cue makers state around this time. You might go visit his shop only o find a pile of rubble.
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Sunny and Mild in S. Fl.
 
OP, Howdy;

Had a similar problem with a cue maker in N. Mississippi, It took the threat of my filing in my local New Mexico,
small claims court (so he'd have to travel here or hire local rep. before he got off his butt and still took another
few months before it was returned. He finally admitted that his people had screwed my cue up so he replaced it
with a new one and sent along a second shaft for it.

hank
 
To the OP, Duc:

Find contact details for the two or three nearest (to him) pool rooms and a few nearby local sports bars in his area.
Somebody knows something about the guy, and you -- and any potential legal or enforcement assisters -- will be far better informed than you are at the moment and it won't cost you a penny to get this factual handle on the probable situation.

Then proceed from there.

Arnaldo
 
lakeman77 said:
Tell him you will post his name and story on every pool forum in the pool world, and on his Facebook page. Destroy his business if there is any. Stay away, last thing you need is in person conflict. That ends with police and civil lawsuits.
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as someone else speculated earlier in this thread that IF it's a prominent maker whose last name begins with a "s" or "q" he doesn't want an "in person conflict"....he's up in age and i don't believe he was a physical guy when young, however, you never know who may be hanging out in his shop

"maha's" (post # 21) suggestion sparkles with me
 
mikemosconi said:
After all of your prior efforts- it is time to let all of us here know who the identity of the cue maker who is screwing you- no reason to hide it any longer. If they have a defense, they can present it here. Looks like you are in NYC- where is the cue maker located?


A plane trip will be of no value, you cannot confront them beyond a conversation, if even that, without risking a much bigger problem that is not worth the price of any cue. Here in Fl. you cannot forcibly enter someone's home to collect anything owed to you without the risk of being shot with the home owner being completely vindicated under stand your ground laws.

My gut would also tell me to fly to his shop, as this sounds like a guy who is still in business, but my wiser, older self tells me that it could end up being a very bad decision. You have done enough- now just let the world know ( easy to do now) who this culprit is and what he may do to others who give him cues for repair.

Believe me, there was a time when I would be the first guy to get in someone's face - be wise- times have changed - not worth your time, money, or risk to fly to his location.

---Older and I hope, wiser
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Clusterbuster said:
The other day I responded to a similar post regarding a cue purchase. This same kind of complaint is, unfortunately, not uncommon on this site. Permit me to make basically the same point here as I did the other day. I’m a criminal defense lawyer of nearly forty years experience and have handled hundreds of theft and fraud cases. I’d like to address, from a lawyer’s perspective, the all too common issue of a seller not sending a purchased cue, not returning a deposit, keeping a cue that was sent in (as here), etc. I’m not as experienced on the civil side, but I have a clue and I’m not trying to advise anyone on a specific case; just making some general observations from forty years in the legal system.

While various legal approaches to the “where is my cue” disputes are possible they will usually fail as practical matter. Could criminal charges be pursued? Yes, but individual citizens don’t ultimately press criminal charges. Although many are under the impression that they can “press charges” or “take out a warrant” against someone who has victimized them, what the individual actually does is fill out a sworn affidavit containing the facts which they feel constitute a crime. A prosecutor then reviews it and decides whether to pursue the matter. The prosecutor has complete discretion on whether to pursue a charge or not. Most cue transaction-type issues as seen on this site constitute, a low level property offense, usually a misdemeanor. As a practical matter, most prosecutors are not going to undertake the prosecution of a case that to them, not to you, is a low-level, multi-jurisdiction property offense. They would either have to seek the extradition of an out-of-state defendant (seller, repairer, etc.) into the customer’s state or, if they were in the seller/repairer’s state, fly in the customer as a witness. In neither instance will they do it on a property offense involving only a few hundred dollars. It will look to the prosecutor like a contract dispute and he will most likely tell the aggrieved party to pursue civil remedies. Extraditions and flying in out-of-state witnesses on misdemeanors or low-level felonies are almost unheard of.

On the civil side, these type issues are, at their root, a contract dispute. An attorney will not get involved on a contingency basis so he can take a third or forty percent of a judgement in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars and the plaintiff is probably not going to want to pay an attorney three or four hundred dollars an hour on a straight fee basis. Bottom line, the plaintiff will end up having to represent himself and will soon be swimming in a procedural maze involving multiple jurisdictions. A lay person would be hard pressed to figure out how to appropriately get service on an out -of-state party, much less how to execute on an out-of-state judgment if they were fortunate enough to get one. Even if a plaintiff got a judgment, it would be virtually worthless unless he wanted to spend more money than the amount of the judgment. Are there ways to theoretically make this work? Yes. Are they worth the money, and maybe more importantly, the time to bring them to a successful conclusion. Most likely not.

Unless a cue dispute involves thousands of dollars or the seller or repair person is in the same state as the customer, there are unfortunately no practical ways to get relief through the court systems.
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thank you for your educated response
this should be a sticky for anyone to easily find it if necessary
(y)
 
if you know any of the people who have access to dennis
they would be a way to get a response from him (maybe)
besides going there or starting some type of legal action
 
Clusterbuster said:
The other day I responded to a similar post regarding a cue purchase. This same kind of complaint is, unfortunately, not uncommon on this site. Permit me to make basically the same point here as I did the other day. I’m a criminal defense lawyer of nearly forty years experience and have handled hundreds of theft and fraud cases. I’d like to address, from a lawyer’s perspective, the all too common issue of a seller not sending a purchased cue, not returning a deposit, keeping a cue that was sent in (as here), etc. I’m not as experienced on the civil side, but I have a clue and I’m not trying to advise anyone on a specific case; just making some general observations from forty years in the legal system.

While various legal approaches to the “where is my cue” disputes are possible they will usually fail as practical matter. Could criminal charges be pursued? Yes, but individual citizens don’t ultimately press criminal charges. Although many are under the impression that they can “press charges” or “take out a warrant” against someone who has victimized them, what the individual actually does is fill out a sworn affidavit containing the facts which they feel constitute a crime. A prosecutor then reviews it and decides whether to pursue the matter. The prosecutor has complete discretion on whether to pursue a charge or not. Most cue transaction-type issues as seen on this site constitute, a low level property offense, usually a misdemeanor. As a practical matter, most prosecutors are not going to undertake the prosecution of a case that to them, not to you, is a low-level, multi-jurisdiction property offense. They would either have to seek the extradition of an out-of-state defendant (seller, repairer, etc.) into the customer’s state or, if they were in the seller/repairer’s state, fly in the customer as a witness. In neither instance will they do it on a property offense involving only a few hundred dollars. It will look to the prosecutor like a contract dispute and he will most likely tell the aggrieved party to pursue civil remedies. Extraditions and flying in out-of-state witnesses on misdemeanors or low-level felonies are almost unheard of.

On the civil side, these type issues are, at their root, a contract dispute. An attorney will not get involved on a contingency basis so he can take a third or forty percent of a judgement in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars and the plaintiff is probably not going to want to pay an attorney three or four hundred dollars an hour on a straight fee basis. Bottom line, the plaintiff will end up having to represent himself and will soon be swimming in a procedural maze involving multiple jurisdictions. A lay person would be hard pressed to figure out how to appropriately get service on an out -of-state party, much less how to execute on an out-of-state judgment if they were fortunate enough to get one. Even if a plaintiff got a judgment, it would be virtually worthless unless he wanted to spend more money than the amount of the judgment. Are there ways to theoretically make this work? Yes. Are they worth the money, and maybe more importantly, the time to bring them to a successful conclusion. Most likely not.

Unless a cue dispute involves thousands of dollars or the seller or repair person is in the same state as the customer, there are unfortunately no practical ways to get relief through the court systems.
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Follow this advice and please let everyone on every social site know the cue maker/repair person identity - flying to his state yourself will solve nothing and risk even more.
 
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