Players Attempting to Unionize?

Bob Jewett said:
Sometimes it does. It depends on what the content creator does with money. In the case of Matchroom's channels, I think it's reasonable to say that any profit from YouTube videos or DAZN or matchroom.live does go back to the players.
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I believe that like I believe we need to go to Mars. No disrespect, I dont trust any of those people when it comes to them taking care of the players... They take care of THEIR pockets. Look at these illegal gambling streams, they make TONS more than either of the players... this business is BULLSHIT, its a CHANGING THO:

B.I.G.-------->> The Future of pool: A Real Sport.
 
Fatboy said:
I agree.

But that like herding cats…..

And there’s so little money its not going to ne able to afford the necessary talent (lawyers) to come in and organize a MLB like union where the players are making millions of dollars a season each.

Who’s going to pay union dues to keep the union intact? SVB, Shaw, Europeans?

My dad had a few sayings when I was a kid I never understood. He was pretty old when I was born. Or I was a slow learner-probably both.

“People in hell want ice water”

Now I have a very deep appreciation of my dads true wisdom

Im not knocking the players, I want to see them succeed, I have always been on their side. They are my friends (I know plenty of them personally). But it’s a tall order to organize pool

Best
Fatboy
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Some of the push back in this thread is nothing more than the negative connotation that comes with the buzzword “union”. Which largely resonates with an older crowd.

Younger people don’t fear buzzwords like “union” or “socialism” etc. They don’t get caught up in all that. It’s just verbiage. What they want is positive change that can propel the sport and their livelihoods. We know very little about what specifically they’re trying to accomplish so I think the posts in this thread are for the most part nothing more than fear mongering and antiquated beliefs born out of slogans from decades past.

I’m hard pressed to believe that they’re “unionizing” in any kind of traditional sense. They’re not taking power back or away from some larger corporation at the expense of profits. I think they’re looking to build basic infrastructure.

Let’s see how it unfolds before declaring that they’re ruining something that really doesn’t exist in the first place.
 
trentfromtoledo said:
that money does not hit the players pockets.....

TFT
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I know. The question was about revenue streams and how these organizations/events turn a profit. They do generate money.

I’m not claiming to be an expert on revenue sharing etc but traditional prize money isn’t going to grow this sport.

I don’t see an issue if a player expects a percentage of streaming or platform money as long as it’s practical and speaks to the benefit of everyone.

I’ve seen some profit sharing on content channels and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Even if weighted by contribution or views. Every sport has their stars.
 
Bishop said:
I know. The question was about revenue streams and how these organizations/events turn a profit. They do generate money.

I’m not claiming to be an expert on revenue sharing etc but traditional prize money isn’t going to grow this sport.

I don’t see an issue if a player expects a percentage of streaming or platform money as long as it’s practical and speaks to the benefit of everyone.

I’ve seen some profit sharing on content channels and I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Even if weighted by contribution or views. Every sport has their stars.
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We are entering into an actual already existing realm: There are Professional Sports to model a working system off of. The current system is so FUCKED UP, that people seem confused when you try to speak in actual business terms that the rest of the civilized world understands. This makes it seem like we need some "special" system to make pool into a pro sport... Just like no one want to pay retail for ANYTHING in pool because they are "somebody" or know "someone" ....... I could rant for hours. I am workng hard on helping the CHANGE:
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TFT
 
Bishop said:
Some of the push back in this thread is nothing more than the negative connotation that comes with the buzzword “union”. Which largely resonates with an older crowd.

Younger people don’t fear buzzwords like “union” or “socialism” etc. They don’t get caught up in all that. It’s just verbiage. What they want is positive change that can propel the sport and their livelihoods. We know very little about what specifically they’re trying to accomplish so I think the posts in this thread are for the most part nothing more than fear mongering and antiquated beliefs born out of slogans from decades past.

I’m hard pressed to believe that they’re “unionizing” in any kind of traditional sense. They’re not taking power back or away from some larger corporation at the expense of profits. I think they’re looking to build basic infrastructure.

Let’s see how it unfolds before declaring that they’re ruining something that really doesn’t exist in the first place.
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That last paragraph sums it up perfectly 👍👍 very well said
 
Bishop said:
Some of the push back in this thread is nothing more than the negative connotation that comes with the buzzword “union”. Which largely resonates with an older crowd.

Younger people don’t fear buzzwords like “union” or “socialism” etc. They don’t get caught up in all that. It’s just verbiage. What they want is positive change that can propel the sport and their livelihoods. We know very little about what specifically they’re trying to accomplish so I think the posts in this thread are for the most part nothing more than fear mongering and antiquated beliefs born out of slogans from decades past.

I’m hard pressed to believe that they’re “unionizing” in any kind of traditional sense. They’re not taking power back or away from some larger corporation at the expense of profits. I think they’re looking to build basic infrastructure.

Let’s see how it unfolds before declaring that they’re ruining something that really doesn’t exist in the first place.
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I can’t speak for everyone but I think at least some people are having flashbacks to previous association/union attempts that scuttled promising opportunities. So in that case it’s less of an anti-union sentiment and more of a concern that history might repeat itself.

But we really don’t know what their mission and purpose is. I do think that a players association is a good idea assuming they don’t push too far on the wrong things.
 
Yeah, player's unions really killed pro baseball, hockey, basketball, and football. Those guys can't rub two nickels together.
Bob Jewett said:
I wonder how many of you remember that there already was a PPPA. It formed in 1975-76. I wonder how many of you remember what it accomplished while it existed and what became of it.

What will the current PPPA do to improve pool as a marketable entertainment? If that is not a major goal of the organization, I don't think many other goals can be achieved.
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If you told us, we'd all know... And maybe have an informed opinion on this matter that is none of our business.
 
I think this has less to do with trying to bargain for more added money and more to do with having a say in the terms being dictated to them by promoters as well as stuff like equipment standards.
 
Fatboy said:
That was for a specific reason.

But you are correct it never had a chance.

However it did correct the specific problem.

I can’t mention that reason as the guy is dead now and it’s all in the past. It’s not really important

I’m glad you did bring this point up.

I’m not knocking the players, if they can make things better for them self’s I’m behind them 100%. Sadly I don’t like their chances but I’m not gonna knock their effort.

Pro pool players are among the hardest working underpaid professionals in the world.

Hope your feeling fit and strong

Fatboy💪💪
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Not knocking anything he did or that someone else did to make it fail. I was just saying it had been tried, to what scale, not sure.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I wonder how many of you remember that there already was a PPPA. It formed in 1975-76. I wonder how many of you remember what it accomplished while it existed and what became of it.

What will the current PPPA do to improve pool as a marketable entertainment? If that is not a major goal of the organization, I don't think many other goals can be achieved.
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My memory was they had a unique idea. They all shared in the success of the tournaments. It was not so much about prize funds. They advertised a first prize but the winner did not necessarily get that amount.

My memories of it are vague. I think Miz and Pete Margo were involved. I think I remember Rempe winning one of the tournaments and getting a random payout.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Yeah, player's unions really killed pro baseball, hockey, basketball, and football. Those guys can't rub two nickels together.


If you told us, we'd all know... And maybe have an informed opinion on this matter that is none of our business.
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all those are team sports. NHL cannot easily field 32 new teams if the players union goes on strike.

a pool players union on the other hand has very little clout. if they sit one out there are dozens upon dozens of hungry young euro and asian players that can and will take their place
 
I’m withholding judgment. I can’t predict their individual intentions, who they vote into a board, those people’s intentions, or what initiatives they’ll push.

As others have said, if they push a petulant “I want” agenda with no value to offer to the equation then it will be laughable.

On the other hand if they serve to collect, refine and signal boost the perspectives of the players and provide a channel of communication to various organizers, producers and sponsors for the sake of healthy collaborations then I am optimistic.
 
skogstokig said:
no they couldn't. there's a reason there wasn't a stanley cup in the 2004–05 season. there were zero games played.
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The NFL had scab games for a while . The games counted in the season .
Any of the major league sports can field teams with replacement players. The MLB almost did it but, they finally settled on a new contract .
The NBA can easily field teams with rejects but they would lose billions the first few months.
And it might just kill the sport.
 
Btw, let's not forget about CJ Wiley's PCA that went against PBT so ESPN could run hours of pro pool.
It was a horrible event but it did give ESPN hours and hours of pool broadcast.
 
I remember those nfl pick-up games, the recruits were starting to get their mujo together with some decent games trying to get a win, back stories were starting to develop also, union guys said oh' sh!t, settlement wasn't much later.
 
u12armresl said:
Not knocking anything he did or that someone else did to make it fail. I was just saying it had been tried, to what scale, not sure.
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You are 100% correct, I’ll pm you the fragments of the story as best I can recall.

Was presented as a wide scale thing-remember bonus ball was just kicking off as well. So that was also a factor but not the main reason.

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Fatboy 💪😃
 
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