A Few CTE Questions

But I thought you had some difficulties with a manual pivot. Does it go in and out as a working process for you? Maybe my memory isn't serving me right, but I thought it was fairly recent.
In retrospect I have to think that problem was due to my bridge hand being kind of half on and off the rail. It lead to a sloppy pivot. When I realized that it was no longer a problem. I use BHE all the time, which is also a pivot, and I don't have problems with it. I don't mind disclosing when I'm doing something wrong. It's often the best way to improve.

If you mean seeing this simultaneously, you're on the right track. Then go down on the shot with the tip of your cue at CCB while your eyes, head, and body are in that position and take the shot.
When I know it's an outside pivot I do not go down on the shot with the tip at CCB. I place it a half tip away like with shishkebab and pivot to CCB to thin the shot.

Do it on both OB alignments I laid out. What happens?

When they look right means what? What is aligned to what?
When edge to B looks on while center to edge also look on.
What spot are you talking about? It will be right when it's seen and set up correctly with center and edge.

Tip offset is where on the CB? Pivot to where?


Is that from a lot of experience on the table or the erroneous information coming out for whatever reason? Believe it or not, I had the same thoughts and problems way back when. But, it DOES work as advertised. The problem comes from us with the visuals based on head, eyes, body, and tip placement.
It comes from logical thinking combined with extensive reading and practice at the table. I'm satisfied that users don't know why it works for them (and some even say they don't care). I don't blame you for having an immovable opinion on this. You wrote the forward to Stan's book. If you came out now and said, "Oh, nevermind" it would be a real kick in the teeth to Stan, so I don't blame you.
It's a neat word, isn't it? Has a lot of applications and reasons to use it.
 
In retrospect I have to think that problem was due to my bridge hand being kind of half on and off the rail. It lead to a sloppy pivot. When I realized that it was no longer a problem. I use BHE all the time, which is also a pivot, and I don't have problems with it. I don't mind disclosing when I'm doing something wrong. It's often the best way to improve.
Then go back and try all of them again.
When I know it's an outside pivot I do not go down on the shot with the tip at CCB. I place it a half tip away like with shishkebab and pivot to CCB to thin the shot.
I don't think pivoting with CTE should be in your mind or performance of it. Shishkabob, absolutely because the entire system revolves around it.
When edge to B looks on while center to edge also look on.
Then take the shot and watch where the OB goes.
It comes from logical thinking combined with extensive reading and practice at the table. I'm satisfied that users don't know why it works for them (and some even say they don't care). I don't blame you for having an immovable opinion on this. You wrote the forward to Stan's book. If you came out now and said, "Oh, nevermind" it would be a real kick in the teeth to Stan, so I don't blame you.
My opinion is what it is because of flat out knowing what Stan teaches is correct. If you had the opportunity to spend a couple of days, all day, at the table with him like I have you would know it for a fact and not have your current beliefs. It was all proven to me live and in person right on the table. Stan's pool IQ for all of it is off the charts high and I'm talking about all phases of pool like banks and other aiming systems. Not to speak of his shooting and playing skills for all games. People have no idea.
 
[to Spidey] You wrote the forward to Stan's book.
No kidding? I didn't realize he was a bona fide CTE celeb. Good on ya, Spidey - wouldn't mind reading that sometime (not for comment, just for curiosity).

Now back to our regular badmouthing...

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No kidding? I didn't realize he was a bona fide CTE celeb. Good on ya, Spidey - wouldn't mind reading that sometime (not for comment, just for curiosity).



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chgo
You'd never admit it because it's not in your DNA, but you would like it. You can read it, buy the book. :cool::p
 
First off this CTE thing requires open mind to explore. Second like buy new brand of car, learning curve to get use to and retrain brain.

Sadly ASSHATS know it don’t work, because they did not experiment with system.

But read some where system is bad mojo, and if you leave alone, you got same result as if you try❓
 
Then go back and try all of them again.
I did but I'm really not interested in mastering shishkebab.

I don't think pivoting with CTE should be in your mind or performance of it. Shishkabob, absolutely because the entire system revolves around it.

Then take the shot and watch where the OB goes.

My opinion is what it is because of flat out knowing what Stan teaches is correct. If you had the opportunity to spend a couple of days, all day, at the table with him like I have you would know it for a fact and not have your current beliefs. It was all proven to me live and in person right on the table. Stan's pool IQ for all of it is off the charts high and I'm talking about all phases of pool like banks and other aiming systems. Not to speak of his shooting and playing skills for all games. People have no idea.
If you say so. If Stan has what he says he has then as much of a genius he is at pool he is in the remedial class when it comes to teaching this amazing thing to others.
 
What part of being a pool instructor don't you understand? The instructor is doing what needs to be taught himself on the table with CB and OB and student...he's also explaining what he's doing and why...while the student is standing either off to the side or directly behind to see exactly what he's teaching and how he does it. How is it any clearer than that?

Did he say that? What else did he include in the process? I don't care about Mohrt and what you gleaned from it.

CTE will ALWAYS work if seen and set up correctly and then stroked properly. Just as contact points and fractions will. The secret to all is in the execution visually and physically. It's a matter of which one has the LEAST visual static and making certain you picked the right connection between OB and CB. CP and Fractions require imagination and some visual guessing for the connection.

Let's get something straight first of all. There are NO LINES. It's a real-life CB center and edge superimposed, overlayed, or connected on an OB as vivid and clear as can be with no imagination going on. If a person can't see how the two should be connected in real time or get it wrong along with the stroke...THEY'LL MISS!! Including Tyler Styer and Stan Shuffett.
If I watch you set up for each shot it will look like anybody else lining up a shot and being on the correct shot line. The question is how you came to be on that shot line. Did you accurately follow the objective CTE steps or do you just think you did? I thought I was lining up straight shots with a straight cue for 20 years, actually was convinced of it, but I wasn't. In 1997 a BCA instructor said I was lined up crooked, but I never put in the effort to correct it. I guess I just didn't believe him. Years later my father stood in front of me and told me the cue was offline. He told me to move it until it was straight and at that point I asked him if he had been drinking, lol. The point is that I could shoot very well like that and always thought I was lined up correctly.

Watching you shoot balls won't likely prove anything. We can't get inside your head and see what you are actually doing.
 
First off this CTE thing requires open mind to explore. Second like buy new brand of car, learning curve to get use to and retrain brain.

Sadly ASSHATS know it don’t work, because they did not experiment with system.

But read some where system is bad mojo, and if you leave alone, you got same result as if you try❓
Some people buy a new car then much later realize it's not as good as the one they traded in. When life gives you lemons, make lemonade. Some people keep and maintain their car. Sometimes an old lady only drives her car to church on Sunday. It takes all kinds to make the world go round. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I did but I'm really not interested in mastering shishkebab.
As far as I'm concerned based on what I've known about it for years and used, it's your loss not to add another cannon into your arsenal.

What you should do is apply that same line of thinking to CTE PRO1 and shut up about it already. It and you serve no purpose doing this every day. What do you think you're going to accomplish? That everyone who comes onto this forum is going to live and breathe on your every word like you're the foremost authority on pool and not get involved with it?
If that's it, you've lost and lost badly! A gang of 8 has ZERO chance in hell of stopping it and that's been proven since the book came out and the videos. Plus, it's been growing for 25 years since Hal made his first post on RSB. None of you are pro players, pro instructors, top amateurs who play in tournaments, written and published your own books, or made videos.

All in all, just a handful of grumpy old men with no credentials who love to bitch, whine and cry everyday regarding something you really know little about.
If you say so. If Stan has what he says he has then as much of a genius he is at pool he is in the remedial class when it comes to teaching this amazing thing to others.
That's your opinion. Certainly not based on all those who are heavily into it and posting elsewhere. Are there questions? Sure.
Do they get answered? Yep, by the man himself.
 
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If I watch you set up for each shot it will look like anybody else lining up a shot and being on the correct shot line. The question is how you came to be on that shot line.
Simple, because it's a NISL. NO IMAGINATION SHOT LINE, which means NO GUESSING, GROPING, or WONDERING IF IT'S CORRECT.
Did you accurately follow the objective CTE steps or do you just think you did?
Of course they are followed. Always. It's simple since you only use the center and edge of the CB to A, B, C. Are you that clueless as to how simple it is?

I thought I was lining up straight shots with a straight cue for 20 years, actually was convinced of it, but I wasn't. In 1997 a BCA instructor said I was lined up crooked, but I never put in the effort to correct it. I guess I just didn't believe him. Years later my father stood in front of me and told me the cue was offline. He told me to move it until it was straight and at that point I asked him if he had been drinking, lol. The point is that I could shoot very well like that and always thought I was lined up correctly.

Watching you shoot balls won't likely prove anything. We can't get inside your head and see what you are actually doing.
See what I posted above and that's what is actually being done by me and everyone else who uses it. I know you can't get it into your head but, hey, it's not MY problem.
 
i just went back to read the forward to stan's book again.
dave i never knew how involved with hal /stan/ and cte you were.
very well written.... (y)
I think over the last 10 years I've made many references and posted it a number of times in various threads. But I know how things can get lost or glossed over when threads and posts get all covered in trash like a city dump. Thank you.
 
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