I've commented this multiple times and no one seems to have an answer. I don't think a marker could have been used in the instance in question.
Hand flip's and such!
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I've seen ball markers with a *roughly* 1"x1" heavy base and the marker sticks out. So it wouldn't need to touch the template to mark the position of the ball.
You can't use a straight edge accurately on a video to judge the ball placement. The lens of the camera is curved so the video ends up being slightly distorted.
Many times, I've seen the camera show that a shooter is hooked and can't see the object ball. Then they will switch camera angles and the ball is no longer hooked. It's all in the video distortion. That's why they always say the camera adds 10 lbs.
Just because it is available doesn't mean Matchroom provides it for their referees. That being said it should be standard equipment for every referee when a template it being used.
Most markers are thick enough that they contact the ball far above the template.
Agreed.
I would just put my palm on the table then use thumb and forefinger to lift the ball a mm to slide the rack out from underneath it.
He is freaking petty, I never knew that.
That’s what I thought. As far as I’m concerned etiquette wise, if an opponent decides to take a restroom break while his opponent is at the table shooting, it is entirely up to the shooter whether to stop and wait for his opponent to return to the table or to keep shooting.
Can someone explain exactly what a hand flip is?
So when they changed to the traditional triangle & shane started dropping 9 ‘s would that be significant? ; )
If you watch the match you will see Mika sitting in his chair and squirming around some and flipping his hands when Shane is shooting. Watch him when Shane is getting ready to break. He often times would slide up in his chair just as Shane is breaking. Not a big deal when it is done behind your back, but he does when he is right in the line of sight.
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I wasn't trying to determine if the ball position was makeable before and after, I was simply trying to see if the 9 ball was in the exact same spot before and after. I put a pencil to my screen at the top of the 9 ball when it was on the rack. Then jumped forward. Top of ball in the same spot. Then repeated for all four sides of the ball. The curved camera would not impact this type of analysis.
In fact I just re-created the analysis using a white circle page protector (like we use on the table.) The video is below:
Both Shane and the ref said they looked at the line from cue ball to 1 ball and the 1 was clearly makeable. This is what really matters. Who cares if the 9 moved a tiny bit, as long as it didn't affect the shot in any way. Nit picking minute details is a bad habit.
That's generally how I view it also; however, the technician in me says if the 9B was moved even a fraction of a MM then if something runs into it it will NOT go where it would've gone prior to the movement.
The layout of that table would not worry me in that situation so I wouldn't give a crap.
I don't get the intense hatred a lot of people have for Mika. I really don't think he deserves it. In my book he doesn't even crack the top 10 of most annoying pool players. If you count amateurs, he'd not even been in consideration of such a title. I've met him only a couple of times. Didn't really get to chat much with him, but he seemed nice enough. A bit reserved maybe, but I really couldn't say too much one way or the other. I didn't see him do anything bad in watching him play for a couple of days live, and I havent' seen anything too shocking on video either. A bit of whining, big deal! Jesus, you guys ever been to a players meeting? People actually start to argue and complain before the playing even starts! During tournaments there are sometimes loud arguments and tantrums and every childish sharking move ever invented. I don't think I have ever been to a tournament where there wasn't an incident at least two times worse than anything Mika has ever done, and these are National championships and other big tournaments like that, not weekly bar box leagues. And then there is the "monster" Mika Immonen: How dare he slightly move his hands in the chair and when standing up on his own inning? I have to ask, are you guys playing in a wax museum or something? Try playing a tournament with the tables close together, where you actually have to mind other players on every shot, and every inning! I have to say that the people most likely to be annoyed, are also the ones that are most difficult to deal with in a tournament. I've had people complain about me slightly moving my foot while sitting in the chair, not even in their line of sight. What do you say to something like this? I can't freeze my entire body for 10 minutes while you shoot, it's physically impossible. Sometimes you have to adjust your posture a bit and you try to do it when they're not over the ball or not even looking in your direction. Somehow they're still annoyed by it! These people belong in a padded cell, not in a pool hall.
Some here may disagree, but if my opponent has a crucial shot in a match and I know in plenty of time I’m going to be sitting right in his line, I will get up well in advance and move to another chair. I do this as much for me so I don’t have to worry about it, as it is proper etiquette shown towards my opponent.
And that is respect for the game and respect for your opponent, and much appreciated
