boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Well, the common "DEFENDER" M.O. is leave something unproveable, so when in Rome...
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boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
So you're saying on a good day you could hit a curtain shot? It's NEVER MEANT TO BE!!!
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
You're right but he's cutting to the left... what CTE aim should you use for this?
How do you know he had settled into his final shooting position when the photo was taken?
I know for a fact that all of these guys are jelly bean users. JBM is spreading like wildfire. Here are the details:
Row 1 players use left pocket red and yellow jelly beans, store bought.
Row 2 players use left pocket Jelly Belly beans assorted flavors.
Row 3 are tricky. They're both cross jelly bean dominant with the right pocket.
Row 4 is more experimental with the guy on the left using M&M's (not recommended for amateurs) and right guy eating the beans and replenishing them between innings.
I'm very proud of them all!
Row 1 players use left pocket red and yellow jelly beans, store bought.
Row 2 players use left pocket Jelly Belly beans assorted flavors.
Row 3 are tricky. They're both cross jelly bean dominant with the right pocket.
Row 4 is more experimental with the guy on the left using M&M's (not recommended for amateurs) and right guy eating the beans and replenishing them between innings.
I'm very proud of them all!
I'm left-handed and left-eye dominant and I used to play with the cue under my left eye inside corner. By all accounts this was my "vision center" because it is where straight looked straight to me. However, I was wrong. Crooked looked straight so I had no hope of correcting the issue without outside help like a friend who can see the whole picture or a laser or string that can put a line on everything while the cue is being held. Straight isn't just the ob/cb/cue tip. It has to include the butt of the cue and it has to be considered while the cue is being held, not while lying on a table, IMO.I knew something was missing...
Cross dominance like yours is pretty common - maybe 45% or so. Players cope with it by turning their head to bring their eye toward the cue, like you, or by bringing their cue farther under the torso toward the eye, like the first pic. I'm lucky to be left handed and left eye dominant - left handers are more likely to be cross dominant than right handers.
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I now shoot with the cue under the inside half of my right eye because this is where the cue is straight and now looks straight through repetition. I don't mind the concept of a vision center but the instructions of finding it are incomplete. I think there needs to be some recognition that you can't necessarily find straight on your own, and when you find it it might not look straight unless you put your body in some contortion that makes shooting unrealistic. There may not be a position where your arm is in alignment with a straight shot and it looks straight. You might just have to train your perception to see straight as straight. I guess in that case is there really a point to a vision center concept?
Then there's Mark Wilson's take on it. Just center your chin over the cue and learn what stroking straight looks and feels like. This seems to contradict the concept of a vision center.
If crooked looked straight then by definition it wasn't your vision center. That's where straight looks straight.
I think pretty much anybody, after positively determining their stick is "straight", can find the head position over it where it looks straight(est). That's all the vision center concept is - probably the best place to start training your perception.
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I have slight dominance toward my right eye. For giggles I entertained an offer from Gene to assess my aiming practices through a Skype call. He's a very nice guy buy the way, and the 'lesson' if you will was pro bono. Anyways, he had me set up the camera so he was directly in front of my potential aim line, and had me run through my PSR all the way to the point of pulling the trigger.
When cutting to the right I would get down as one would expect. When cutting to the left, once down on the cue my head would subconsciously hunt (rock back and forth) for what I would assume is my vision center..? So this only happened when cutting to the left and the end result wasn't anything to write home about. It wasn't until Gene pointed it out that I realized I was doing it.
My ability to focus on the OB during those left cut shots was bad. They never look right, and depending on the severity of the cut they get worse. Gene explained and had me approach the shot with a very slight head tilt. It worked like a charm and I could see the OB as clearly as I did during the right cut shots. However the head tilt is very unnatural for me. To the point that I flat out told him that I wouldn't bother working it into my game.
In my specific case. Although the head tilt was enough to remedy the eye dominance. There wasn't any gains to be had. Despite the blurred egde of the OB on those troubled shots. My potting percentage is on par with my 'good' side. My take was why bother tinkering with my heavily engrained PSR and personal method for sake of merely seeing a ball better...?
In the end, I have trained myself to know when the shot is right, even when it doesn't look good. I guess you could say I recalibrated to a "new good" when cutting to the left.
The power of HAMB, who knew...
If you think that's the case, then all 7 of the other pictures should be questioned the same way. I'm going to take a wild
guess and say the photographer took multiple pictures of each player to make sure he caught each one right at the point
when they were going to start the stroke back.
What changes do you make with your vision center when you pivot? Something definitely must happen to produce what
occurs when you've tried using it. (maybe it's not the vision center}
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Where their stick is straight at "what"? If you're using contact points or fractions, it's linking minute parts of the CB to OB, not the stick. And then if using parallel English, where is the stick aimed to factor in all of the other forces of nature?
A typical PJ jackass no answer answer.
Well, it was a typical Spidey jackass no question question, so...
Or were you seriously saying you don't know where you want your stick pointed? Is that a CTE thing or just you?
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I'm left-handed and right-eye dominant. I center my cue under my chin directly between both eyes. Is it possible that my "vision center" is actually in that spot, or have I just trained myself to see that perspective as straight?
I think either is possible, but you probably want the one that needs the least "training".
pj
chgo
No, it was a question you had no bona fide answer to, so you did your jackass thing. Are you saying you aim at a specific spot on the OB with your stick? Which part of the stick? The center of the tip, or one the edges, or the shaft itself. And to where on both balls?
The primary focus is the CB to the OB alignment. The stick is CCB from that perspective. After 25 years you should know what we do because it's been stated over and over thousands of times by many different people. It bounces off your thick skull like mammoth rock walls creating echos in the Grand Canyon.
You must be suffering from the bends after the aiming forum was dead for a couple of weeks. Poor PJ. Too bad...you LOST!
CTE WON!
I told you mine, now you tell me yours. What is YOUR cue aligned to on the OB and CB for a 10-degree cut and a 75-degree cut or anywhere in-between? Should be an easy question.
Wherever I think it needs to point to make the shot - that's "straight" for me, just like it is for you. I want that to look as straight as possible with minimal or no "training" - that's where vision center comes in.
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I think there are exceptions to the rule for me that need to be clarified. It isn't always straight. It can in fact be angled if I make a decision to use a pivot or not. You have a straight cue which is being aimed at a very specific point on the OB. I DO NOT nor does it come into the aiming process unless I choose to use Shishkabob for whatever reason which does go to the OB. Then the cue is ALWAYS angled from a pivot to 3 parts of the OB.
On CTE the cue alignment isn't what determines the aiming visuals. The aiming/alignment is done with both the edge of the CB and Center of the CB on different parts of the OB. The cue isn't really aimed at the OB. It's "placed" on CCB after the ball alignments take the body and head where it needs to be for the cut.
And herein lies the ongoing problems with how we aim vs. how we USED to aim vs. how you currently and always have aimed which is like we used to aim. I can understand exactly what you're doing and saying because it's what I/we all did. You can't understand what we're doing because you flat out don't want to nor care to learn it. No loss to me or you if that's what you want. We're both happy doing what we're doing.