Can you slow this down or allow it to be stopped.
Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?
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That's where we differ. The long standing "rule" in Straight Pool for many decades (including the present one) is that you play fouls on all balls.
No. Then there would be "grousing" over if those rules were violated or not properly enforced. This is a fact, especially here on AZB. This is just the way many humans are wired. You see these same endless discussions about other sports as well.
714 with a bumped ball...big deal.. the man still ran 714 and many saw him do it live. 669?* with the adjustment? Still the most ever done live and on film and people are sniffling over details.
One "major sport" honors home run records....The home runs are done at many ball parks with slight variations in fence depths/placements and heights.. Some ball parks are much easier to hit home runs in than others.
No, but if you think my shirt or hat or hair or necklace or whatever touched a ball and I don't, then what? Fouls aren't just hands or cue.
This sounds a little odd, but I genuinely think it’s a cultural issue within the disciplines. Cultural may not be the best word. For example, if you watch any pro snooker, you’ll often hear the commentators say something to the effect of, “Well, he didn’t want to leave himself bridging over that ball.” And they aren’t always talking about bridging with the hand. They’ll say that in reference to an object ball being near their bridge arm or under their body. And they’ll mention the increased difficulty because the player has to be aware of not fouling that object ball, whether it be due to bending their bridge arm or having to arch their back.
As a result, shirt fouls etc rarely ever happen in pro snooker and English 8 ball. Players avoid those situations, and when it’s a possibility, they’re hyper aware of avoiding it. Honestly, I played snooker and a smattering of English 8 ball for about 13-15 years before switching to pool, and I can genuinely not recall a single instance of a dispute over a shirt foul, hair foul, arm foul, etc. Usually with no refs involved.
"cue ball fouls only" has never literally meant that anywhere I have played. One example, if two or more balls are accidentally moved, usually with a stick, it is a foul.
In over ten years of playing over forty hours a week I had somebody try to proclaim "cue ball fouls only" several times when they moved three or four balls. My response was to let them shoot, then when it was my turn I raked all of the balls into the pocket with my stick. "Cue ball fouls only, pay me!"
It didn't take long for the other player to see the light and realize that "cue ball fouls only" had limitations.
When the rules and normal protocols are ignored then runs become meaningless. I will bet high that I can have a thousand ball run in less than a week, no fouls and no rules. Only an idiot would like the other side of that bet!
Hu
In over ten years of playing over forty hours a week I had somebody try to proclaim "cue ball fouls only" several times when they moved three or four balls. My response was to let them shoot, then when it was my turn I raked all of the balls into the pocket with my stick. "Cue ball fouls only, pay me!"
It didn't take long for the other player to see the light and realize that "cue ball fouls only" had limitations.
When the rules and normal protocols are ignored then runs become meaningless. I will bet high that I can have a thousand ball run in less than a week, no fouls and no rules. Only an idiot would like the other side of that bet!
Hu
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Like how everyone, including your merry band of fellows, runs high run competitions/exhibitions.
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Usually with cue ball fouls only it is the option of the other player to decide what to do, leave it or put it back. If you are playing by yourself what can you do. Maybe have a ref always put it back as good as he can. Best to play all fouls and have a ref to make the calls.
The current guidelines are a player can start from an open rack. Mosconi when he ran 526 got to the table on his first shot with only 12 balls on the table. The Legends broke no rules. The fact of this matter is no one saw a foul at anytime and to this day a foul by touching a ball still cant be 100% proven and if a foul had occurred and we knew about it we certainly would have re racked all the balls and started from a new rack. Where the so call foul occurred in the rack it would have certainly been better had anybody knew there was a foul to start with a new break shot as the rest of the balls were in a gigantic cluster and wasn't an easy rack to break the balls free.
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Are you serious? Since when is a referee allowed to make a call? Refer to the current SVB thread to prove my point.
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I don't know I've refereed quite a few matches and I've called quite a few fouls. I remember Richie Ambrose yelling in my face that it wasn't a foul when in fact it was.Are you serious? Since when is a referee allowed to make a call? Refer to the current SVB thread to prove my point.
Let me ask you, if you're playing all fouls who's to call them if you're playing by yourself?
It was a joke
When new ballparks are constructed, who decides the field layout specs? The distances between bases & home plate are specified in the official rules (?), as are the sizes/weights of equipment. Lack of existing uniformity isn’t really a valid excuse for abandoning what would seem a rational goal.
Video technology (instant replay/appeal) has allowed the NFL to eliminate a lot of the traditional whining by fans that disputed refereeing. Further disputation there is just noise that’s generally ignored.
This belief is often taken too far. "If they didn't see it it didn't happen" is chickenshit, and I consider it cheating. Most people I know will always call the foul on themselves, it's a point of pride or honor. If I foul, I give up my turn. Doesn't matter if someone saw it or not.
When you are playing someone else they become the default referee when you don't have one. When I have moved only one ball the other player usually either waves a hand from his chair or gets up and improves the original lie considerably. I consider that the cost of making a dumb cluck move and bear in mind afterwards that those that move the ball six inches, a foot, or more are likely to take other questionable advantages. A few do try to replace a ball properly but most fall to one extreme or the other. If I move two balls or more I pick up the cue ball and hand it to the other player.
I find it nothing short of bizarre and destructive to the BCA's weak credibility already to decide there had been a foul and to start a run after the foul. Imagine if a game is to five hundred. A player runs three hundred balls then realizes he had fouled on the 45th ball. "I fouled on the 45th ball, I'll just keep 255."
I would have no issue if they had claimed a 669 ball run to begin with. I think the BCA's job was to certify the existing claim, or if the run from the beginning would have been significant they could have certified that. With what they did, they might as well have said, "We aren't too sure about that 45th ball, we aren't going to count it and we will call it a 713 ball run."
No end to various bits of silliness that could be if you start doing silly things like the BCA did.
Hu
Some good points here but the fans in the NFL kind of prove what I was saying too:
"was it a catch?" "was the video conclusive?" etc. I don't think "perfection" is possible in any sport...it can always be better.
I do think some tighter standards for pool would be better. They have some general ones already but it is not exact.
When new ballparks are constructed, who decides the field layout specs?
MLB sets those limits...but the right field fence near the foul pole in Yankee Stadium is much different than the one at Wriggly Field for example....or Fenway Park-Pesky Pole lol. The differences from park to park are different but by not huge amounts on average....percentage wise it is probably in the range of "the great pocket debate" here which is why it is a good mention here. Some look at the very old places long since closed and question how easy some old MLB legends had it in their home park..others hard!
This is a good look over if you like sports in general or to see what I am talking about.
Ranking MLB's Outfield Walls
Baseball diamonds are like snowflakes: no two are alike. It’s one of the things that makes the sport great.
www.si.com
I'm ready for the next 14.1 Record Attempt!