Seeing how B'wicks are made in China how would a Predator-B'wick link-up have helped either one?
Predator Pool Table?
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Someone has fooled you into thinking Predator has some kind of engineering department that has world knowledge about how to design pool tables. Designing a pool table has nothing to do with slapping their name on it, and calling it a Predator product.
There has only ever been 2 kinds of 9ft, full size slate pool tables ever built to date that have been able to be flipped up on their sides, transported to a location, flipped back down, leveled by the legs, and ready to play on.....without all the problems the Predator junk is having!!!
King Cobra 9fts and Diamond 9fts, that's it!!
Who do you think designed Diamonds 9fts to be flipped into carts and transported, and set back up again?
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Which Brunswick are you referring to, the Brunswick that sells boats, or the Brunswick pool tables that has been sold off, twice now, and has already failed with their new coin operated pool tables????
To those people who think turning a table up on its side was something new:
FOR THE RECORD: VALLEY TABLES HAVE BEEN TURNED UP ON THEIR SIDES FOR YEAR AND YEARS BEFORE ANYONE ELSE.... ANYONE TRYING TO CLAIM THEY INVENTED THIS IS FULL OF IT. A 9FT IS ONLY 1 FT BIGGER THAN THE 8FT VALLEY, THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL.~
Also: ALL POOL MANUFACTURERS USE CHINESE PARTS AS WELL. Simonis isn't made in our country: Belgium and it has a cult like following even though there are at least 5 companies that make a comparable product. Lets not get on this USA made bullcrap. Valley and Ohausen build the largest volume of tables in the USA and BOTH rely on chinese parts.
Brunswick BILLIARDS(not the boat corporation) is surely "reformulating" their business. Their purchase by Escalade Sports was $32 million. For that kind of investment I am sure they are reworking a game plan and we will see at some point. Who would buy something for that much and just let it go in the wind: NO ONE.
Brunswick started in 1845 and is the oldest pool company still in business( AE Schmidt 1850 and is nothing like Brunswick today). Escalade also bought American Heritage, they surely have done a lot of work and spun that company into the right direction.
Brunswick contracts their tables to be made all over the world, not just China. Cars are made the exact same way. Brunswick has their metal made in China, wood in Indonesia & Malaysia, slate from Brazil...I am sure there are more, just names the ones I know of. Escalade buying Cue and Case was also a huge deal, these guys have money to help pool become a legitimate sport and business.
Predator has serious money to invest, plain and simple. NO OTHER COMPANY HAS EVER COME ALONG LIKE THEM. They have awesome marketing, have created a world recognized Brand and IMO will continue to try to grow pool into a real sport.
The GC Coin op SOLD EVERY SINGLE TABLE THEY MADE. They were licensing the old Global base and pay matrix= not a good plan and they are surely reworking it. I know that they were offering a TINY amount of money to dealers to sell them and they have never done this before to my knowledge. They may have given up, but, that does not make any business sense to me at all when ALL of the tables sold. A winning formula does not usually get thrown to the wayside in business, especially when it makes money. They are likely redesigning their own base and pay matrix
To all the haters and kool aid drinkers: STOP. Our industry needs growth. It is stale and so are many of the people involved in it. We need real leadership and real companies to take this thing to the next level: LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS! It is embarrassing to me to realize over the last 3 or 4 years how things REALLY run...
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TFT
p.s. not trying to start any drama!! OK OK, well maybe some positive REACTIONS!!
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Please don't try to compare a pos Valley bb to Diamond ProAm. The PA was the first tournament grade 9ft to be built in such a fashion.To those people who think turning a table up on its side was something new:
FOR THE RECORD: VALLEY TABLES HAVE BEEN TURNED UP ON THEIR SIDES FOR YEAR AND YEARS BEFORE ANYONE ELSE.... ANYONE TRYING TO CLAIM THEY INVENTED THIS IS FULL OF IT. A 9FT IS ONLY 1 FT BIGGER THAN THE 8FT VALLEY, THIS IS NOT A BIG DEAL.~
Also: ALL POOL MANUFACTURERS USE CHINESE PARTS AS WELL. Simonis isn't made in our country: Belgium and it has a cult like following even though there are at least 5 companies that make a comparable product. Lets not get on this USA made bullcrap. Valley and Ohausen build the largest volume of tables in the USA and BOTH rely on chinese parts.
Brunswick BILLIARDS(not the boat corporation) is surely "reformulating" their business. Their purchase by Escalade Sports was $32 million. For that kind of investment I am sure they are reworking a game plan and we will see at some point. Who would buy something for that much and just let it go in the wind: NO ONE.
Brunswick started in 1845 and is the oldest pool company still in business( AE Schmidt 1850 and is nothing like Brunswick today). Escalade also bought American Heritage, they surely have done a lot of work and spun that company into the right direction.
Brunswick contracts their tables to be made all over the world, not just China. Cars are made the exact same way. Brunswick has their metal made in China, wood in Indonesia & Malaysia, slate from Brazil...I am sure there are more, just names the ones I know of. Escalade buying Cue and Case was also a huge deal, these guys have money to help pool become a legitimate sport and business.
Predator has serious money to invest, plain and simple. NO OTHER COMPANY HAS EVER COME ALONG LIKE THEM. They have awesome marketing, have created a world recognized Brand and IMO will continue to try to grow pool into a real sport.
The GC Coin op SOLD EVERY SINGLE TABLE THEY MADE. They were licensing the old Global base and pay matrix= not a good plan and they are surely reworking it. I know that they were offering a TINY amount of money to dealers to sell them and they have never done this before to my knowledge. They may have given up, but, that does not make any business sense to me at all when ALL of the tables sold. A winning formula does not usually get thrown to the wayside in business, especially when it makes money. They are likely redesigning their own base and pay matrix
To all the haters and kool aid drinkers: STOP. Our industry needs growth. It is stale and so are many of the people involved in it. We need real leadership and real companies to take this thing to the next level: LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS! It is embarrassing to me to realize over the last 3 or 4 years how things REALLY run...
I LOVE THIS GAME AND OUR INDUSTRY. I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND LOVE THIS FORUM!! I have been BLESSED to have made so many friends and memories from this website and want to give the "boss" Mike "AZB" Howerton @azhousepro a virtual HI FIVE AND POSITIVE VIBES for all his hard work. This is the only forum of it's kind in the WORLD!!!!! If you don't have a GOLD MEMBERSHIP: YOU SHOULD ASK YOURSELF WHY????
TFT
p.s. not trying to start any drama!! OK OK, well maybe some positive REACTIONS!!
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I did not say any such thing. I said what I said. I never compared the 2. It is a true fact Valleys have been turned over on their sides for many many years before Diamond was ever a company. I stand behind my original statement
Have a great day!
TFT
What I got out of what Trent was saying was that Diamond was not an innovator when it comes to tipping assembled tables on their side for portability, nowhere did I get the idea that he was comparing them in any fashion.
I did not get fooled about Predator. I know they have no experience designing pool tables. That was the point I was trying to make. Because they have no experience the company making the tables should - and I have no confidence in some company in Spain I have never heard of. Brunswick used to make great tables so I thought they could share their knowledge with Predator and do most of the designing. If I bought a Predator table I would still feel better if I knew it was made by Brunswick and not made by SAM. How about you?
How many Brunswick coin operated pool tables did Global build for Brunswick that they sold them all, 20, 30? This YEAR!
You know nothing about the commercial market place
you only think you do. Brunswick has no distribution support to handle their coin operated pool tables, then means no way of moving them around the country.
Don't believe me, call up as many Brunswick authorized dealers you can find, and ask them if they handle coin operated pool tables
You know nothing about the commercial market place
you only think you do. Brunswick has no distribution support to handle their coin operated pool tables, then means no way of moving them around the country.Don't believe me, call up as many Brunswick authorized dealers you can find, and ask them if they handle coin operated pool tables
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ALL BAR tables are flipped on their sides, but until I designed the King Cobra, and Diamond 9fts, with full sized slates, NO 9ft in HISTORY has been flipped up on its side and transported. And for the record, VALLEY and DYNAMO BOTH produced an undersized 9ft coin operated pool table, built no differently than any 8ft Valley pool table. They FAILED MISERABLY with both, for 2 reasons! 1) no dealers wanted to handle them and 2) they had so much frame sag there was no way in hell you could level out the slate and still bolt on the rail blocks! I have 40 years history working on bar tables, I KNOW what I'm talking about, I'm not GUESSING at what I'm stating!!!
AND, there was other coin op manufacturers that tried their hand at building 9ft coin ops as well, still with undersized 9ft slates, and every one of them failed as well, and are ALL out of business today, because they couldn't compete with the distribution network of the Valley/Dynamo corporation!!!
Selling straggler tables don't make you successful in this industry, it just keeps you in business, that's all!!
Selling straggler tables don't make you successful in this industry, it just keeps you in business, that's all!!
Who are you commenting to?
I am ok with something new. Have you played on or seen one in person? I think that is when I will have a real opinion. I have not laid my hands on one yet. I am looking forward to it. I am not sure how you have not heard of Kim Steele tables, they been around quite a while now. The market will dictate what comes and stays or goes. I am very optimistic about their 300 table showing for the BCA stuff. For BCA to switch from Diamond to Predator= that means they have confidence in Predators ability to come through for them. We shall all see. I like the underdog and will always
TFT
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I agree. I have a beautiful Rasson Victory and people who had never played on one were making negative comments on them. Predator is such a big sponsor for tournaments that very soon all tournaments that are on TV will be played on Predator tables. I have no problem with this as long as they play as well as their competitors.I ok with something new. Have you played on or seen one in person? I think that is when I will have a real opinion. I have not laid my hands on one yet. I am looking forward to it. I am not sure how you have not heard of Kim Steele tables, they been around quite a while now. The market will dictate what comes and stays or goes. I am very optimistic about their 300 table showing for the BCA stuff. For BCA to switch from Diamond to Predator= that means they have confidence in Predators ability to come through for them. We shall all see. I like the underdog and will always
TFT
What version of the Victory do you have? I think the Rasson Ox is a great table. I have played on one and really liked it. I would like to install and maintain one in a commercial environment to develop my opinion more!
TFT
I have the Victory II Plus. I have had it for 2 years and love it. I have been playing for over 50 years and learned to play on Gold Crowns so I know a good table when I play on one. Also, all the guys who played on mine have said it was the best table they had played on so not just my opinion. I have never regretted buying it so I'm sure you'd like it.
Yes, I am sure I would. You got the newer version with the Klematch P59 cushions, I bet it plays lights out!
TFT
I had never heard of Klematch cushions before I got my table but they are fantastic cushions.