There's no question that the overly top-heavy payout structures that these 10-ball events have featured is a significant problem.
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I quickly looked at the Fargo top 100 for Canada and it appears as though there's merely 16players within driving distance with ratings higher than 700. That said, if you open it up to >680 then you're at 28. Of course this is only accounting for those with 300 games in the fargo system.
To me, the short race format screams for heavy shortstop entries. I'd definitely donate if it was local.
I was laughing at and adding context to your "largely uninhabited" comment. In my decades if international of travel I have found many ignorant of geography and demographics, and I am trying to help ... and laughing at the same time
I agree that Toronto would have been a better choice, it's been home to pretty much all Canadian Championships for many years so even we "favour" the Big Smoke. I am not sure what facilities there are in Niagara Falls to hold a pool tournament (it's a little smaller than Red Deer) but I understand that it is pretty close to the border/Buffalo which is why you may have suggested that location. Of course a little farther up the road and you could have it in St. Catherine's which is larger than both ... or carry on to even larger Hamilton ... but then another hour and you're in Toronto so that might be best anyway.
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I was enjoying watching some of the matches but when I saw how hard Kiboroglu played against Kelly Fisher and to see
her lose in a shootout and have that shootout mean so much difference in overall pay it hurt the overall view of the match.
I could see the disappointment on her face and I felt really bad for her. I haven't watched any since then. I guess these theories
that players want a shot at some unreal purse isn't as true as they think. I would say ask the players then construct payouts.
Few of them are going to say I want a chance at big money vs. they would like to get paid better when they lose. The competition
will be there just the same and maybe even better if players want to enter.
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If you are talking about the WPA World 9-Ball Championship, it was played for 10 years (2010-2019) in Doha. Doha is a city in Qatar, not Saudi Arabia.
That's the funniest part for me to be honest. For years the West coasters complain about the massive league and/or major tourneys always being in Ontario. They finally get the opprotunity to have, again what should be, a major event in their neck of the woods and they can't be bothered to support it.
Although I've never taken part myself. Both the CPA (APA) and CCS (ACS) leagues host yearly national events in Niagara Falls. I can't say how large these events are, but they must be far north of the numbers you would hope to have for one of these predator events. So, the facilities must exist even though I can't personally name the locations. Niagara being a tourist town, would have countless over night stay options. Which would include obvious USA options as well.
Although I'm personally closer to Toronto then any of the other places you suggested. I have no bias toward that location other than selfish convenience. Now that I'm thinking about it. Either Niagara or Ottawa would be my choices. Niagara is a destination for many because of the Falls, so why not provide the out of country players something to experience while they're here. Ottawa, being the nation's capitol has it's own heritage that may interest some.
Make the event something enticing for globe trotting players. Rather than just another hotel event room with a bunch of tables dropped on the floor.
I’d like to think we are standing in unity against the purple 5
Also there’s zero covid restrictions for anyone entering the USA now. Proof of vaccine card to board the plane is all. The negative tests were lifted about 5-6 weeks ago.
Also most airlines don’t require a mask on passengers either. I can’t speak of Canada’s current policy.
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Fatboy
You are 10000% right on the nose about this.
I call them Hotel tourneys. When your at them, you might forget what City your actually in. They are all the same. You need to win or 2nd and maybe 3rd to make $. 4th-6th breaks even and everyone else loses $ in a boring hotel. With nothing to do
When there was action it worked for a few years. It worked in Reno because of the added $ and it was in a casino when there wasn’t a tribal casino almost everywhere. So the casino tourneys are played out and they knock pool action these days anyways-we seen that at the Derby.
Too many airport tourneys which are boring, no action, no side events like 14.1 hi run challenge or 1P high run like used to have at the Derby has watered down the tourney experience and reason to go. 75 entrants and the top 3 make $ with 72 board losers waiting for their next match-watching TV.
Bad formula. This happens in other things than pool. It’s a old burned out biz model. And nope I don’t have a idea of anything better. Side events, gambling, are not gonna draw many people either.
I’ve always believed that mid size tourneys are best in a big pool room. Up to 96 or maybe 128 if it’s a huge pool room. Then at least your at the pool room not a airport hotel board to death.
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I’ve been there. It’s hot! I never made it to that tourney. I wanted to, just didn’t make it.
I’d like to think we are standing in unity against the purple 5
Also there’s zero covid restrictions for anyone entering the USA now. Proof of vaccine card to board the plane is all. The negative tests were lifted about 5-6 weeks ago.
Also most airlines don’t require a mask on passengers either. I can’t speak of Canada’s current policy.
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Fatboy
This may be part of the problem. It's unlikely to be a problem with the women.
Seeing a few posts in this thread about "mask mandate" and COVID restrictions here ...
I live in Red Deer. The province of Alberta hasn't had any mask mandates or "vaccine passports" or anything of the sort in a long time now, I don't even remember when they were dropped.
Anyone is free to go pretty much wherever they like.
https://www.alberta.ca/coronavirus-info-for-albertans.aspx --this states all remaining restrictions were dropped June 14, but I don't think there were many in place at that time.
I'd have hosted this tournament elsewhere for more participation. Highly doubt it is COVID related.
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I believe there are still federal travel restrictions that may be causing issues though.
Fair enough, I can't speak to those.
This is the reason. You have to test upon arrival. If you test positive then you have to be in insolation for 10 days and you're flying
on an airplane with masks optional. That is quite a risk if you ask me.
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Not many other people made it to those events either.
It’s a pain in the ass to get there and zero to do. There are better places/
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