Jayson Shaw is going for a new personal best high run!!!

The major issue the older straight players have is the fact that Mosconi had 14 plus world championships under his belt to legitimize his historic run BUT….

You have to consider how small the competitive field was back then.

We have a phleroa of top players from around the world that compete at such a high level nowadays that even if it’s an exhibition it’s still historic.

The fact that one of the number one players in world is the holder of the top run is nothing to sneeze at. Considering Jaysons accomplishments is on par with Mosconi. So does that makes his attempts less worthy?
 
RunoutJJ said:
The major issue the older straight players have is the fact that Mosconi had 14 plus world championships under his belt to legitimize his historic run BUT….

You have to consider how small the competitive field was back then.

We have a phleroa of top players from around the world that compete at such a high level nowadays that even if it’s an exhibition it’s still historic.

The fact that one of the number one players in world is the holder of the top run is nothing to sneeze at. Considering Jaysons accomplishments is on par with Mosconi. So does that makes his attempts less worthy?
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couldn't agree more. being a champion now is quite a feat.
 
RunoutJJ said:
The major issue the older straight players have is the fact that Mosconi had 14 plus world championships under his belt to legitimize his historic run BUT….

You have to consider how small the competitive field was back then.

We have a phleroa of top players from around the world that compete at such a high level nowadays that even if it’s an exhibition it’s still historic.

The fact that one of the number one players in world is the holder of the top run is nothing to sneeze at. Considering Jaysons accomplishments is on par with Mosconi. So does that makes his attempts less worthy?
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I disagree.

The field of 14.1 players in that era was nation-wide. There was no 9ball and no bar box leagues. Maybe a little rotation. Everyone played 14.1 and the players he competed against in the national events were the cream of the crop. Every single one of them was a 14.1 master.

Lou Figueroa
 
mikemosconi said:
These attempts fail to excite me very much at all and I enjoy 14.1 way more than any other pool game. In fact, I love straight pool. I'll add that I love baseball and also do not enjoy the home run derby contest each year at the All Star break. I enjoy watching 14.1 as much as actually playing the game, so, yes, I would watch Jason's attempts for the sheer enjoyment of the game itself and from a tutorial aspect.

Yes, I will give anyone the credit deserved that, in fact, a record is a record; and running the most balls in 14.1 within a verifiable environment is certainly something to be celebrated and congratulated.

MY LACK OF SHEER EXCITEMENT concerning these high run attempts is that I honestly feel, on the equipment being utilized to date by all of the parties involved, that there exists a rather large list of former professionals who could probably match any present or future 14.1 run; had they specifically focused on that one task- here is my list:

Greenleaf, Ponzi, Caras, Crane, Worst, Cranfield, Eufemia, Murphy, Martin, Mizerak, Sigel, Varner, Rempe, and, of course- Mosconi. This is just a short list, off the top of my head. There certainly could and maybe should be more additions.

Straight shooting alone will not outmatch 14.1 game knowledge, IMO. However, if someone tells me that my list had no chance of equalling what someone like Shaw or Schmidt can do today - I would ask- what 14.1 skills do modern players exhibit that are so far superior to anyone on my list?
I view these recent high run attempts for some minor entertainment value at best, I wish them the best and let them make as much money as possible in this endeavor! If this helps revive pool as a whole or even just 14.1, I am all for it- but for the knowledgeable fans out there- we should keep this all in perspective.
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Same thing was said about straight shooters and 1 pocket, how's that turning out???
 
jasonlaus said:
Same thing was said about straight shooters and 1 pocket, how's that turning out???
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I was not saying that the old time 14.1 guys are better than Shaw or any of the other top players today. I know better than to say that. I am saying that 14.1 game knowledge of past greats will at least equal the great straight shooters of today- when it comes to 14.1 runs on larger pocket tables.

I doubt anyone can argue that fact- if you put Mosconi or Sigel on a 5 inch pocket table for days on end - you will probably get at least equal results on the 14.1 high runs that the great straight shooters today will accomplish. This is exactly why I don't get overly excited about these current high run attempts.

As I said, this is all good for pool- can't hurt, not knocking it, hope it elevates the sport and especially 14.1; just feel that this kind of exhibition should be kept in the perspective of the great competitive 14.1 players of years gone by- all those guys on my list never had the internet and the luxury of having the world able to sit and watch them only focus on taped and documented high 14.1 runs over long periods of time.

This is a time for celebration of accomplishment and to use these accomplishments to benefit the game - so Jason Shaw and perhaps others to follow will and should get their due; and the guys who paved the way in this great game of 14.1- from Greenleaf or earlier up to more recently retired living guys like Sigel , Martin, Varner, etc. should not be forgotten either.
 
sjm said:
Yes, Babe might even call Jayson on the phone to wish him good luck before the attempt to break the record. He was a man of great integrity and superior sportsmanship.
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So very true, and what an honorable contrast to the following "champion"-to-champion contemptible behavior (unquestionably accurately reported by Bobby here on AZB):

. . John [Schmidt] was messaging Jayson all week long many times while he was playing to shark him (I saw all the messages from Jayson)

Arnaldo ~ See Bobby's post #631 on this page regarding that sharking:
https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/jayson-shaws-714-becomes-669.543353/page-32#post-7278782
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JusticeNJ said:
The most incredible thing, to me, when I watched him put up the 714 was that he played the exact same break shot and angle damn near 51 times in a row. He had the patterns so consistent I'd never seen anything like it.
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Looks like the best way to avoid a scratch. I wonder though, how often hitting the rack at that angle would leave you stuck to the pack if no template (?).
 
arnaldo said:
So very true, and what an honorable contrast to the following "champion"-to-champion contemptible behavior (unquestionably accurately reported by Bobby here on AZB):

. . John [Schmidt] was messaging Jayson all week long many times while he was playing to shark him (I saw all the messages from Jayson)

Arnaldo ~ See Bobby's post #631 on this page regarding that sharking:
https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/jayson-shaws-714-becomes-669.543353/page-32#post-7278782
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John and Jayson seem to be pretty friendly on Facebook
 
JusticeNJ said:
The most incredible thing, to me, when I watched him put up the 714 was that he played the exact same break shot and angle damn near 51 times in a row. He had the patterns so consistent I'd never seen anything like it.
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Being consistent is a important thing when putting together a hi-run 😂😉


Sorry couldn’t resist saying that!

All jokes aside nobody runs 714 without knowing a little about what he’s doing.

I’m really looking forward to seeing what’s next.

Best
Fatboy😃
 
DynoDan said:
Looks like the best way to avoid a scratch. I wonder though, how often hitting the rack at that angle would leave you stuck to the pack if no template (?).
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WTF does a template have anything to do with anything. Ive seen you post about a template several times. In Europe they tap all the balls in so the cloth is trained to do the same thing. The template is a fullproof way to make sure the balls are racked correctly and no cheating happens.
 
DynoDan said:
Looks like the best way to avoid a scratch. I wonder though, how often hitting the rack at that angle would leave you stuck to the pack if no template (?).
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I’d guess never, even if you slugged the rack. The CB path hits the rack then follows down to the end rail and back out. If you’re thin enough you can either follow through the rack or the follow takes and you’re mid tablish.
 
I thought this was supposed to be an on-going event.
Who else has attempted this since Shaw hit 714, anyone?
I've heard nothing of it and Ib tried to start a thread in the Main Forum
about a month ago. Somehow it disappeared before it ever appeared! lol
 
A template rack makes ALL billiards games easier.
It virtually eliminates the "unfortunate luck" that often occurs with a normal triangle rack, and it also makes the spread more predictable.
IMO, the template rack is ruining the game. I wish all pool was triangle only.
And Matchroom's "changing of the racks" for the final 16 is lame as hell. Play with the same equipment from start to finish!
 
wrldpro said:
WTF does a template have anything to do with anything. Ive seen you post about a template several times. In Europe they tap all the balls in so the cloth is trained to do the same thing. The template is a fullproof way to make sure the balls are racked correctly and no cheating happens.
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Japan as well
 
Woodshaft said:
A template rack makes ALL billiards games easier.
It virtually eliminates the "unfortunate luck" that often occurs with a normal triangle rack, and it also makes the spread more predictable.
IMO, the template rack is ruining the game. I wish all pool was triangle only.
And Matchroom's "changing of the racks" for the final 16 is lame as hell. Play with the same equipment from start to finish!
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I prefer wood racks, tapped in 2nd.

Throw the templates away
 
Woodshaft said:
A template rack makes ALL billiards games easier.
It virtually eliminates the "unfortunate luck" that often occurs with a normal triangle rack, and it also makes the spread more predictable.
IMO, the template rack is ruining the game. I wish all pool was triangle only.
And Matchroom's "changing of the racks" for the final 16 is lame as hell. Play with the same equipment from start to finish!
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So you want gaps and unfrozen balls in the rack. Ok got it 👍
 
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