180 argument posts in the 1200th thread about chalk.
It’s amazing what we can accomplish around here given 18 years
Masters, triangle chalk becoming outdated
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It’s amazing what we can accomplish around here given 18 years
180 argument posts in the 1200th thread about chalk.
It’s amazing what we can accomplish around here given 18 years
Getting worked up, distracted, over Chalk.
No reason? What about the exuberant price? You know there is absolutely no way they have more then 50 cents of raw materials in each cube. Its all about the value you get for your money.Most of those who talk trash about V-10 have never used it.
They are mean nasty haters who hate for no reason.
I was lucky someone said try this new Chalk V-10, it was different,it made draw easier, said sold in buying a single piece.
Masters is 25 cents per cube. Toam is $18.95 per cube...... 75 times more then Masters. Would you say Toam is 75 times better then Masters? Even 2 times as good? Sorry. I don't see the value. And I dont have to try it to see that.
Say Toam has 50 cents in materials, and another 50 cents in production costs (and I highly doubt they are that high). Then sells its product to a distributor for $10 per cube. That represents a 1000% profit. Pretty good racket if you ask me.
No way you can beat the value of Masters.
I wont buy a pair of Oakley sunglasses either. Is it worth paying $200 to $500 for a pair of sunglasses when you can get the job done for $20? Hell no in my world. If someone else thinks they are worth it, more power to 'em. I also dont think a $30 cue tip is necessary better then a $10 one.... or a 50 cent one. Each individual has to decide what their definition of value is. I decided there isnt enough value to justify the cost
Ok genius, for one thing that's how tons of players got better. You don't learn a fkng thing clubbing baby seals. If you're too scared to lose to a better player you'll never beat them.
I don’t sweat the small stuff in life.
I just mention that because for myself I like to have things smooth and seamless. Getting troubled over another man’s profit margins has nothing to do with me.
I like something I buy it, I don’t-I don’t. Based on what I like. Not another man’s margins.
Happy me-happy life.
Fatboy
And if you continue on later in my statement, I also said each man has to determine the value for himself. That's what you have done, that's what I have done.
If I see a product where the price exceeds the value (in my opinion) I keep shopping. Based on the fact that all Tome chalk seems to be the same price everywhere, I'm believing they have minimum advertised pricing. I don't need the manufacturer to try to force me into their perceived value. That decision is up to me and should be left to free enterprise . Have I said I hate MAP pricing before?
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I don’t have the quote right now. But in the movie Wall St Gordon Gekko said “when the illusion becomes reality that when the $ is made”. I’m way off on the words, but not the concept.And if you continue on later in my statement, I also said each man has to determine the value for himself. That's what you have done, that's what I have done.
If I see a product where the price exceeds the value (in my opinion) I keep shopping. Based on the fact that all Tome chalk seems to be the same price everywhere, I'm believing they have minimum advertised pricing. I don't need the manufacturer to try to force me into their perceived value. That decision is up to me and should be left to free enterprise . Have I said I hate MAP pricing before?
Anyways yes your right and that was a excellent post/point.
Best
Fatboy
There's another angle that seems to be slipping. The 'grade' of grit is one thing. However the hardness of the chalk plays a role. Not sure hardness is the right word. However the point is, that the size of particle (grit) of a substance is almost moot if it's bond is weak.
Imagine pouring some fine sand on a desk. Now place you hand on it and drag. What ends up happening...? Most of the particles will just roll between your hand and desk. Now take the same sand and glue it to a piece of paper so they can't roll. Hopefully the rest doesn't need explaining.
Masters or whatever may have larger particles but that doesn't translate to more/less abrasive quality. The one tangible I have noticed with V10 is that the 'cube' is hard. It's takes more effort to remove the particles from the 'cube' and get them on the tip.
The ability of the medium the abrasive is in to hold it in place long enough for edges to bite is certainly a factor as is tip hardness. If the abrasive just slides on the tip or cue ball it isn't doing it's job.
Reading how sandpaper is made, static electricity is used to put the particles on the paper and to orient the abrasive sharpest side up. No equivalent of that in chalk that I have ever heard of, the grit is just randomly placed in the mixture. If we try to shape or sand with a chalk cube it is much less effective than the same size grit in sandpaper I believe for the reasons I have given. Of course somebody may have figured out a way to orient the grit but I doubt it, particularly because you need sharp edges 180 degrees opposed.
I could get interested in playing with chalk design but I am more than willing to "blackbox" it and just take advantage of somebody else's work.
Hu
I guess "suckers are born every minute". The guy that loses money over and over to a better player might be one.
Didn't say
'over and over'. Said NEVER. I don't believe that for one second. Apparently you've either never gambled or only beat up on those that had no chance. We called these players 'lamb slayers'. I seriously doubt there's one player on earth that NEVER lost $ to a better player. Based on some of the questions you've posed on here i know for a fact it ain't you.
Guess it’s like most products, supply, demand, and what people will pay.
Like 90 K over MSRP for a Corvette.
Had Jason Shaw run his high run with Green Triangle story would be different.
That depends on whether anything is gleened during the clubbing, and what value you put on those real world lessons.
Actually paying attention to how superior players work through the game is nearly as valuable as watching yourself on play back. Lots of info to pull in if you're willing to do so.
When I was young, just married, I needed money to live. I used to go to the bars and gamble but I had to win money. That is why I said I'll give the better player his table and I'll go to another. Had to come home with cash. I've played guys that would just fork it over and over knowing I was the better player. Maybe that is you.
DeeDeeCues
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Genius financial strategy!
I lost my share learning how to play. Everybody does. If you think anyone is going to believe this 'i never lost to a better player' shit you're delusional. Keep living your little fantasy.
Yeah, genius AND delusional.
Years ago there was a player in N.J. that owned an Asphalt paving company and had deep pockets.
He played at high short stop speed but was almost always a loser to better players, he didn't know when to quit.
He was on every road players list.
I saw several times he would go off for $4K or more a lot of money back in the day.
I have NEVER wrote anything like that. I've lost to better players. BUT I did not lose over and over, trying to learn the game.
For out and about, Masters is perfectly fine imo. But for my home table, Taom. Much less mess on my table.