Are these fundamentals solid?

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Would anyone teach someone to setup and stroke a cue ball like this now days? Elbow hanging low and head in the clouds and such? Other things mentioned in this book's section on fundamental are a stroke length no longer than 8 inches and feet no more than 6 inches apart. Yes he really says these things. Could Willie hang in today's world?
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Pool fundamentals have changed over the past few decades.


it’s quite comical watching the two greats playing 9 ball. Although neither are in their prime none of them are running racks
 
Zerksies said:
Pool fundamentals have changed over the past few decades.


it’s quite comical watching the two greats playing 9 ball. Although neither are in their prime none of them are running racks
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mosconi had a stroke and fats was at least in his 70's
you dont think these guys ran racks in their prime?
to quote john mcEnroe
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
JoeyInCali said:
Well, he played a different game .
Sorry, the players today are better . Much better mechanics and fundamentals .
Mosconi would have hated the pockets today imo .
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we can never resolve this debate as todays players cant go back in time and mosconi cant be born again
what i will say is that champions who dominated during their time would excel in any time era given the same conditions to prepare and train
champions have whatever "IT " is that sets them apart
jmho
i could be wrong
 
Deruki said:
Would anyone teach someone to setup and stroke a cue ball like this now days? Elbow hanging low and head in the clouds and such? Other things mentioned in this book's section on fundamental are a stroke length no longer than 8 inches and feet no more than 6 inches apart. Yes he really says these things. Could Willie hang in today's world?View attachment 660479
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bbb said:
mosconi had a stroke and fats was at least in his 70's
you dont think these guys ran racks in their prime?
to quote john mcEnroe
YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bbb said:
we can never resolve this debate as todays players cant go back in time and mosconi cant be born again
what i will say is that champions who dominated during their time would excel in any time era given the same conditions to prepare and train
champions have whatever "IT " is that sets them apart
jmho
i could be wrong
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You are not wrong, you are absolutely right!
 
bbb said:
we can never resolve this debate as todays players cant go back in time and mosconi cant be born again
what i will say is that champions who dominated during their time would excel in any time era given the same conditions to prepare and train
champions have whatever "IT " is that sets them apart
jmho
i could be wrong
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100% agreed.

If we took Mosconi and dropped him into today's world unprepared with no experience playing Texas Express 9 ball, no break knowledge, underdeveloped jump skills, and threw him into tournaments, he wouldn't be competitive.

Then again if you took a new age player and threw them on a 5 x 10 with clay balls and slow felt and had them play a round robin straight pool tournament with a high deflection shaft and no glove in a humid pool room, I'm not sure they'd be competitive either.

So either comparison is unfair if we compare actual game to actual game. But as bbb says, if we somehow just took effort and fighting spirit and turned them loose in a different era where they had time to come up in that world, all champions would rise up.
 
Sorry for the question of whether he could hang today I guess my main intrigue was with the fundamentals he's teaching in his book as opposed to what is being taught today. Got the thread off it's main wonder.
 
Deruki said:
Sorry for the question of whether he could hang today I guess my main intrigue was with the fundamentals he's teaching in his book as opposed to what is being taught today. Got the thread off it's main wonder.
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I think you can tell from the video I posted of Mosconi (from when he was 48, I believe) that regardless of what he was supposedly teaching in his book his fundamentals were exceptional.

To me the only interesting comparison across eras is if we assume that the players we are comparing all have the same access to knowledge, experience, and equipment. Given that, IMO Mosconi would be a 14.1 champion in any era.
 
bbb said:
we can never resolve this debate as todays players cant go back in time and mosconi cant be born again
what i will say is that champions who dominated during their time would excel in any time era given the same conditions to prepare and train
champions have whatever "IT " is that sets them apart
jmho
i could be wrong
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what one can do is watch pro matches from the video recorded era, i.e. ~1985 to 2022. i have done that, and my conclusion is that today's pros are simply better. despite playing on tighter pockets. better in every aspect of the game. in the hypothetic time travel tour, SVB would crush them.

with that said i would enjoy watching a pro trying the high stance approach today.
 
Deruki said:
Would anyone teach someone to setup and stroke a cue ball like this now days? Elbow hanging low and head in the clouds and such? Other things mentioned in this book's section on fundamental are a stroke length no longer than 8 inches and feet no more than 6 inches apart. Yes he really says these things. Could Willie hang in today's world?View attachment 660479
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1)His fundamentals are fine (delivering a straight cue). So yes
2) He would be able to compete at straight pools highest level today. And yes.

Of course he would have no chance at rotation against today's players
 
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