middleofnowhere
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I don't think you read any of the stickers Zoom and read what the Earth First sticker really says. It is the opposite what you think.
leather tips and PETA/vegans...?
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Actually you have no idea how or what I think. Sticker all over this car is my idea of decorations I like.
Having actually had done dealing with more then a few people in group like PETA, Earth First, Sierra Club.
They are entitled to their ideas, but when they trespass, destroy property, and do unlawful acts.
The misbehaving should be punishment, like for others doing similar crimes.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
It says "Earth First, we'll strip mine the other planets later."
I recall when the environmentalist destroyed the timber industry in Northern California.
Thing was when the lumber companies clear cut an area, they came in and planted more trees.
The reason for more replanting was so we did not run out of wood.
But the environmentalist go a lot of action off of the photos of the clear cut areas. Before the replanting was done.
Oh
I have hugged more trees than I can count.
Old Growth, old Growth, old......oh shit what happened to all the big logs?
Double Hell No! I was born and raised in a sawmill in Northern California. Well Born in the hospital. But lived and played next to the mill pond. The little red bark splinters were the most anoying in the feet.
I have hugged more trees than I can count.
Old Growth, old Growth, old......oh shit what happened to all the big logs?
MajorMiscue
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I attended a symposium at a former nunnery one time. The Nuns provided an excellent lunch with vegetarian options along with a very good beef stroganoff. Most of us had the beef but one woman went straight for the salad and began to browbeat those of us eating meat. She tried to shame us for the terrible existence of animals raised for food or for other products their deaths provided, leather, etc.
I sat and listened quietly for as long as I could stand it, then I said: "Maybe you are right. Perhaps we should stop all animal husbandry immediately. But have you considered what would happen to the animals we raise to eat if we stopped the practice? Would you expect farmers to raise cows, chickens, sheep, etc. for fun? I suggest that if those animals were not raised for food they would cease to exist in short order. No one could afford to raise animals they cannot harvest or profit from. Do you envision farm animal zoos for the surplus or would it be okay for the farmers to release those animals into the wild? There they would have to compete with the wild animals that you are also trying to protect.
No, I'm afraid that if you got your way all those animals would be extinct within a generation." We ate the rest of that delicious beef in peace.
I sat and listened quietly for as long as I could stand it, then I said: "Maybe you are right. Perhaps we should stop all animal husbandry immediately. But have you considered what would happen to the animals we raise to eat if we stopped the practice? Would you expect farmers to raise cows, chickens, sheep, etc. for fun? I suggest that if those animals were not raised for food they would cease to exist in short order. No one could afford to raise animals they cannot harvest or profit from. Do you envision farm animal zoos for the surplus or would it be okay for the farmers to release those animals into the wild? There they would have to compete with the wild animals that you are also trying to protect.
No, I'm afraid that if you got your way all those animals would be extinct within a generation." We ate the rest of that delicious beef in peace.
MajorMiscue
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I'm sorry but this is fantasy. The timber companies in the 80s found that they could dramatically increase profits by shipping trees to market whole, eliminating the need and cost of the majority of mills that used to dot the countryside and without the bottleneck at the mills they were able to harvest at an increased rate. Soon, they were harvesting much more quickly than the trees could grow. The remaining mills were retooled to handle the smaller trees that were being harvested, "pecker poles" the loggers called them and hated hauling them because they got paid by the board foot and pecker poles didn't pay squat.
The next move was to pulp mills and giant machines that turned trees into chips that went into chip trucks in the field. Plywood and chipboard were the new products.
The big timber companies liked to blame the environmentalists and the spotted owl but the truth is that they no longer had the facilities to handle old growth timber and when shipping trees whole was banned from federal and state forests they had logged themselves out of business except for the pulp mills and chip trucks.
Well what do define as big logs? Left El Dorado County CA late 1990’s, and they were still bringing down big logs. My definition
Of Big was Two Trailer Logging Truck with one big log on rack trailer.
Not sure USFS still operates it Tree Nursery in El Dorado County today, back in 80’s it was USFS largest tree nursery.
Friend son live in Humbolt Country the Redwood Industry is today very small part of county jobs and review.
So did you live where lumber grew,and was processed?
I did off Highway 50 in El Dorado County, yes there were pecker poles being moved by Truck, and also Big Trees.
Left the area in 98, so I have no idea what is going on today.
MajorMiscue
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middleofnowhere
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You really didn't understand the sticker did you.
MajorMiscue
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Yes, I was born and raised in Oregon. My earliest memories are of my dad logging in the Rogue River canyon in the early fifties.
Look up Valsetz, Oregon. One of many mill towns that simply don't exist anymore.
middleofnowhere
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Did you read any of the stickers on there? Mostly they're nothing but places the guy traveled campgrounds the college I guess he went to you posted this picture without reading any of it.
Well I recall one Mill in Camino, CA. Talking to old timers they told stories of how it was, was then.
That Mill was Michigan-Cal, became another company, Sierra something, now is closed.
Recall in late 80-90’s work up in the Northern part of California you were alway sharing Road with logging trucks sunrise to sunsett.
That Mill was Michigan-Cal, became another company, Sierra something, now is closed.
Recall in late 80-90’s work up in the Northern part of California you were alway sharing Road with logging trucks sunrise to sunsett.
The photo was stock photo of person with Suburu all sticker up.
Here is one to your liking?
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MajorMiscue
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And from the looks of it they are interested in climbing or at least climbing gear and Upper Peninsula Michigan.
middleofnowhere
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Your post 22 says what you thought the picture represented.
When my mother moved to California in the early 1930s, Guerneville was called "Stump Town". Those stumps have recovered pretty well in 90 years.
Representative of too many number stickers? Nitpicking can be fatel if it become Nose Picking.
Like stopping at Trees of Mystery in Humbolt County. Could not stop for more then minute, and one of the people who was working the parking lot tried to slapping one of their bumper sticker on your car or truck.
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