John Morra vs Tyler Styer race to 30 livestream

Totally agree... However if I'm asked to back up my opinion, stats sure are convenient... ;)
I can’t argue with that.

The back stretch in any sport, game or contest does funny things to some people, brings out the best in others(Mike Segal). Some guys play better from behind(me-I’d prefer to be a stronger front runner).

Stats imo are a good indicator of an entire body of data points. Not critical moments.

Morra can close. That’s not a stat it’s a fact.

But yes I agree stats have their place for sure.

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According to Johns fb page yes they were during the last year.
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You gotta love the english language...lol. That to me reads like those matches happen "last year", so 2021. Not during the "last year", so over the course of 2022.

No dog in this fight. Just thought it was funny how things can be interpreted so differently.
 
How bad is Tyler??

He had this set in the bag and choked it away once again.

What would be the score if he didn’t have a top 3 10-ball break in the world?

He’d be like a 690 FargoRate if it weren’t for his break and determination.

His shot selection is the absolute worst for a guy at his level. Him and Grabe have terrible shot selection…but Grabe shoots the lights out so it doesn’t bite him as much as Tyler.

I hope Tyler can break through. He really needs to work on just getting OUT! He’s got all the rest…now just clear tables dude!

I'd be a millionaire if it was not for my smaller bank account.
A player's skill is a combination of everything they do, you can't separate things and say "if he did not do that he would be this" because that would apply to everything. I mean Filler would be a 500 Fargo if it was not for his pocketing skill and position play LOL
 
Tyler will be playing Daryl Appleton in January. Looks like he’s looking to some in the box experience
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You gotta love the english language...lol. That to me reads like those matches happen "last year", so 2021. Not during the "last year", so over the course of 2022.

No dog in this fight. Just thought it was funny how things can be interpreted so differently.
lol. Probably sometime this decade. Is that better
 
I watched large portions of the match. For the most part, they played quickly, but every game or two there seemed to be one shot that one of the players (and both did this multiple times) would hem and haw and measure and rethink and get up and get down and get up and walk around, etc, etc. The last rack was particularly brutal where there were two shots that happened near the end (Styer on the 8 and Morra on the 10) for really long periods of time. The announcers joked that this match wasn't using a shot clock, but rather a shot calendar.

I think a 30-sec shot clock is often too restrictive at times, but open-ended can be painful as well. There needs to be a happy medium.

Congrats to Morra! Well-fought and well-deserved victory.
The commentator was selling Irish Pickles for hours....because almost funny.
 
How bad is Tyler??

He had this set in the bag and choked it away once again.

What would be the score if he didn’t have a top 3 10-ball break in the world?

He’d be like a 690 FargoRate if it weren’t for his break and determination.

His shot selection is the absolute worst for a guy at his level. Him and Grabe have terrible shot selection…but Grabe shoots the lights out so it doesn’t bite him as much as Tyler.

I hope Tyler can break through. He really needs to work on just getting OUT! He’s got all the rest…now just clear tables dude!
The weakness in Styer and those like him is they are too robotic and haven't trained for all situations.

Pool is best played on a near subconscious level. A concert pianist isn't thinking of finger placement when playing Betoven.

In order to play with that automatically instinctual ability....you have to be in action, gambling.

Johnny won with the things that aren't captured easily....heart, determination and having been there and done that.
 
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I usually use this analogy; do you want some random person peeking at your work site and telling you to work faster because they think you are not chopping wood or building a computer or changing a tire fast enough for their liking? Or do you want to do your job at the pace that results in the best outcome for you and the work you are doing?
Up to the players

We were fortunate they permitted the free stream. Was nice to see.

They gave each other alot of respect. Tyler cautioned someone in the crowd who was about to shark Morra with just a rack of 2 to go. I always give thst kind of respect...unless the player does something to lose it.
 
While I can understand the comparison, I think the analogy fails in this instance because once a broadcast is going on then any pool player's (or any professional athlete's) job is to entertain their audience. In a private money match, sure anything goes. But once a match is being streamed, and there's revenue because of that stream, and sponsors trying to attract eyeballs, then the player's job is no longer one of "win the match" but one of "give a show people want to watch." That's why all these major tournaments have shot clocks now. And why people are complaining about pace in these smaller streams. If the audience doesn't get what they want then they will stop watching, with all the financial ramifications of that.

That said, 30 seconds with one extension can be a little too abrupt at times. How about a 30 second shot clock with a 2 min per rack time bank that can be dipped into automatically and what's left carries over? Pace can still be snappy, while not rushing key moments that makes the outcome of some matches seem somewhat arbitrary.

People can come up with whatever rules suits their own match. But the ones that will attract and retain viewers, thereby being more successful, will have some rules to keep games moving along.
Players get nothing or next to nothing to do streams.

I paid 500 and had the best players in the country anytime we wanted.

They can play however they like.
 
I guess Morra- even playing left handed- has an argument for being better than at least 2 of the MC players. He has beat Oscar and Tyler in action recently.
The streamers went on about a shot he was going to shoot off handed....not even knowing he's a natural right.

He's every bit as good as he ever was right playing left. It's quite phenomenal.
 
he actually played well at the mosconi, even compared to the euros (click team stats):


he made a crucial error in his last match, followed by a brain fart four-railer that really had me asking whether his mind's in the right place. i make that shot fairly often for fun, but in a proper match the thin outside safety is always the play.

i think he gets to much flak considering his overall performance. but it's true that he has a fargo 840 break and a much lesser fargo play.
That 4 railer was horrific. Should keep him off the team next year. Thin the 8. Let your opponent shoot. You have to play the odds.
 
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Styer has to measure every shot. Every shot. Then if he plays a safety he has to check it out. There is nothing to be learned about slow play other than the useless tedium. Up and down at the table. Back and forth. Rub the cloth. Rub the rails. Walk around the table. He doesn’t concede simple straight-in 10 balls. Morro does. Stroke your cue in the air over and over. He disappears off camera. You do this every day of the week. Are you sharking me? More tics and nervous moves than a guy on death row.
I concede balls no matter what....just to avoid the torture. Then make them shoot easy ones at the end of the set....watch them miss some too.
 
Holy moly I just clicked on the first link to see who won, and skipped right to the end. I landed on the game with 28-29 score, and figured I'd watch to see who wins. I gave it a few min and turned it off, without even seen the conclusion of that game. If anyone watched this whole match, wow.
 
Meh, I like Tyler on the MC team.
He played singles fairly well and was a great scotch partner. He seemed to grow up a bit and be a better teammate, while constantly trying to pump up Earl to keep him off the ledge.
It can't be easy having to literally coddle a grown man while trying to focus on a shared goal.
 
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The streamers went on about a shot he was going to shoot off handed....not even knowing he's a natural right.

He's every bit as good as he ever was right playing left. It's quite phenomenal.
I think it is amazing how good he has become shooting left handed, but I think he was even better right handed- he was shooting a notch above what he is now towards the tail end of him shooting right handed- near world class level if not at it (meaning he was near even odds playing anybody- can't say the same thing with him playing left handed)
 
I think it is amazing how good he has become shooting left handed, but I think he was even better right handed- he was shooting a notch above what he is now towards the tail end of him shooting right handed- near world class level if not at it (meaning he was near even odds playing anybody- can't say the same thing with him playing left handed)

IMO, Morra is playing the best pool, of his pool playing career.

Even by his own admission, he is better now than he was as a right handed player. His Fargo Rate also supports that opinion.


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That 4 railer was horrific. Should keep him [Tyler] off the team next year...
For the Mosconi Cup Tyler has been the solidly second best player on the team for several years now. He shouldn't be the guy you are looking to replace, in fact his name shouldn't come up until fourth on the list of the players that you should be looking to replace on the team.
 
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Tyler will be playing Daryl Appleton in January. Looks like he’s looking to some in the box experience
I'm liking Styer in this one. Not sure why but I think Darren ain't the spd he used to be. I'm sure I'll get roasted for saying that.
lol. Probably sometime this decade. Is that better
Not everything needs to be an argument. I just thought it funny how we read it differently. My bad...
 
I'm liking Styer in this one. Not sure why but I think Darren ain't the spd he used to be. I'm sure I'll get roasted for saying that.

Not everything needs to be an argument. I just thought it funny how we read it differently. My bad...
I think Tyler is going to win this one, too. You shouldn’t get roasted for telling the truth: Daz isn’t the player he used to be. Hell, none of us are.
 
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