No need to delete it. It's sad but true that this happens enough for many of us to have this initial reaction.
This is why Fargorate Fails...
- Thread starter Woodshaft
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I almost ALWAYS tip the TD after I get some cash. This has been discussed numerous times on here.
Tipping is City in China, TD’s get paid by house, if they do it for nothing. That is just dumb.
How does one get paid if he does it for nothing?
1 and 1 and 1 makes 3...
When I finish first I more often than not give a gratuity
I'm fully aware of your stance on tipping. Everyone here knows how you feel about giving money away.
Too high...?I love my 480 Fargo rating
His han
His handle suggests otherwise.
Funny, this issue only comes up when someone wins a tournament with some kind of skill level cap.
You do realize anyone winning any type of tournament, including the elite players like SVB are playing above their average play. Whole reason why they won, their playing good.
I know when i usually do well in a tournament or win one i'm playing better than my average for sure.
You do realize anyone winning any type of tournament, including the elite players like SVB are playing above their average play. Whole reason why they won, their playing good.
I know when i usually do well in a tournament or win one i'm playing better than my average for sure.
It's easier to just get out the pitchforks...
He played at a high level, and yes the SPR is 776. Our best estimate of his level of performance in the tournament, though, is 709, not 776.
A high-dollar tournament like that is going to be attractive to people who believe their rating is running low whether they've done anything nefarious or not. I see no reason to think there are bad actors here. About 600 of his 900 or so games are more than 3 years old. I think the best guess is his rating was low and also his level of performance in the tournament was high, like a storm surge happening at high tide.
Players don’t come with governors…..the speed they play is not consistent.
Robertson just beat a guy at snooker…Robertson is one of the snooker stars…he won 4-3….his opponent was ranked 77 world ranking…
…he ran three centuries in a row to get to the hill.
Robertson just beat a guy at snooker…Robertson is one of the snooker stars…he won 4-3….his opponent was ranked 77 world ranking…
…he ran three centuries in a row to get to the hill.
Woodshaft
Do what works for YOU!
I'm sure it is... That's because your calculations don't take into consideration how he performed against the top fargo guys-- it just looks at wins/losses. I saw his performance against the 640 guys lol.
And please explain how he is such an incredible outlier in a group of 78 guys, Mr. Statistics.
His Effective rate is so high because he beat his tuff highest rated players, a 642 and a 640, by a combined score of 18 to 3. That's when "he was shooting like SVB" btw, for all you doubters. Kyle "let up" a bit in his other matches knowing he was FAR superior to them.
But his closet match was still a dominant 9 to 5. He's a hustler.
He was a cat playing with it's food.
He is so underrated it's not even funny.
Many of my fellow 600-700 friends all saw the same thing.
Their, and my, biggest gripe with fargorate is the inability to see how he/players got his/their data, and how old it is.
The app gives no ability to see his match history, or most history for most players.
Kyle is around a 700 speed now, he ain't no 628.
I play at about Kyle's skill level- a tad under 700-- and I know a fraud when I see him.
This is a hard lesson to all the players who play in ridiculously high entry fee fargorated tourneys.
Watch out for the "ringer"
And, no, I didn't lose any money on this or any fargorate tourney, as some have wondered. But three honest friends of mine played in it and never will again.
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In my over 30 years of playing, if there was a week that went by without some handicapped tournament not having issues with fair handicaps, I don't remember that week. And Fargo has not been around that long. Before your horse got sick, now your car breaks down. Same thing, different year.
All Fargo rating does is track results vs known skill levels. If the results were put in improperly or a player happened to play well, that does not show there is a secret conspiracy to help certain players win. It's like yelling at rocks because they are too hard, that's just the material they are made of, not their fault. Someone plays, puts in the info to the rating system, numbers come out based on that. Fargo results are a lot less likely to be due to cheating the system simply because of the fact that to be rated lower you have to lose, not just pretend to miss shots but still win. Only time I have seen players really be over their rating is when they had like 30 games in the system. And no-one seems to complain about those that are rated too high for the level for some reason, although I know several league players that do that all the time because they think they are rated too high even though the results are in the system of their matches.
All Fargo rating does is track results vs known skill levels. If the results were put in improperly or a player happened to play well, that does not show there is a secret conspiracy to help certain players win. It's like yelling at rocks because they are too hard, that's just the material they are made of, not their fault. Someone plays, puts in the info to the rating system, numbers come out based on that. Fargo results are a lot less likely to be due to cheating the system simply because of the fact that to be rated lower you have to lose, not just pretend to miss shots but still win. Only time I have seen players really be over their rating is when they had like 30 games in the system. And no-one seems to complain about those that are rated too high for the level for some reason, although I know several league players that do that all the time because they think they are rated too high even though the results are in the system of their matches.
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Woodshaft
Do what works for YOU!
Yep, but this is why your rating fails--- it doesn't show actual current ratings, it lags and/or is based on old data much too much.
You need to have it based on only the last 500 games or so, and don't include any that's over say, 3 years old.
Otherwise it's really not relevant...
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I know a guy right around that fargo rate and I've seen him run 7 racks in a row with my own eyes. It can happen and he NEVER dogs a game, just goes in to win every time.
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Seems like just sour grapes for losing out in the tournament. Any of those capped tournaments can go in any direction. That is why so many people are willing to sign up and play. You have to play over your head or be really underrated to win the tournament. It was probably a combination of the two in this situation but he is only one player in the tournament. There was still opportunity to get in the money. Hoping they have another 700 and below so I can throw my hat in the ring.I'm sure it is... That's because your calculations don't take into consideration how he performed against the top fargo guys-- it just looks at wins/losses. I saw his performance against the 640 guys lol.
And please explain how he is such an incredible outlier in a group of 78 guys, Mr. Statistics.
His Effective rate is so high because he beat his tuff highest rated players, a 642 and a 640, by a combined score of 18 to 3. That's when "he was shooting like SVB" btw, for all you doubters. Kyle "let up" a bit in his other matches knowing he was FAR superior to them.
But his closet match was still a dominant 9 to 5. He's a hustler.
He was a cat playing with it's food.
He is so underrated it's not even funny.
Many of my fellow 600-700 friends all saw the same thing.
Their, and my, biggest gripe with fargorate is the inability to see how he/players got his/their data, and how old it is.
The app gives no ability to see his match history, or most history for most players.
Kyle is around a 700 speed now, he ain't no 628.
I play at about Kyle's skill level- a tad under 700-- and I know a fraud when I see him.
This is a hard lesson to all the players who play in ridiculously high entry fee fargorated tourneys.
Watch out for the "ringer"
And, no, I didn't lose any money on this or any fargorate tourney, as some have wondered. But three honest friends of mine played in it and never will again.