Newsflash: yapping dog finally gets off porch, barely wins over traveling case maker. -2014
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I hadn’t looked for it in years.
A few years back I was told it was on several sites but on some of them they had inserted so many ads it was unwatchable. Then just a few days ago my friend told me he couldn’t find it and neither could I.
Lou Figueroa
It was unwatchable before the ads. Just kidding.
Not sure Lou would do anything without a backer talking him into itLou might go for a bowl of fish head soup
I hope a bunch. I promote his cases all the time.
Guess what though? It doesn't matter because we sell everything we make so I don't actually need more sales. I am very happy to see other makers of quality cases get sales.
I even love to thank the haters for keeping my brand in front of the audience. Thank you haters.
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I believe it's fixed now.
I think it makes for a very good instructional on what not to do. Both of us would get beaten easily by an actually good player.It was unwatchable before the ads. Just kidding.
In the spirit of Christmas I forgive Lou. I have said everything I want to say about him and his ugliness, lack of ethics and general evil character. I wish that he has a wonderful rest of his life. Should be die before I do then I will not rejoice. I will at that time post a tribute to a worthy opponent with whom I have been in a 20 year relationship. I would like to sincerely thank him for all the times he chose to hate and lie which provided a natural platform to promote objective aiming systems.
I have learned that when haters come around it allows for a vigorous discussion and presentation of the merits. I have said many times that Center to Edge Aiming and systematic aiming would have died for lack of interest among a few technical nerds without the hard work of people like Lou and Pat and a number of other trolls. Although they are infuriating the fact is that without their constant criticism and bullying those of us who use, teach and promote aiming systems wouldn't have examined and tested them to the degree that we have.
Now there are several good aiming systems out there. Hal Houle is remembered and his systems have spawned several of those named systems. In addition people have explored the genre and found great success. The whole point was to help others be better players and the haters kept the interest going. Yes it was difficult slogging through an endless list of assholery but in the end we won. There are thousands of people each year and growing who are benefiting from CTE and other objective aiming systems.
The name Stan Shuffett will be remembered long after the current group of haters are gone. Stan's work will be helping others long after he is gone while the words of the trolls will be as meaningless as forgotten as grains of dust swept away by the wind.
That's the legacy the trolls helped to build and among them Lou Figueroa is a legend. I personally extend my truly sincere thanks.
Anytime he wants to invoke my name, to ridicule me, to publicly bask in the victory over me, to get attention and attaboys is ok with me. I will gladly accept all voluntary mentions of myself, my brand, aiming systems and anything else I have decided to promote.
I build high quality cases. I use an aiming system when I play that keeps me in love with pool. I stand behind what I promote and have solid logical reasoning as well as physical proof to back up the effectiveness and practical qualities of those things.
So, although I am really a super nobody in the universal sense at least I have been fortunate to have the opportunity to influence a part of the industry and to be part of helping players enjoy this sport. As the saying goes, haters are motivators and I would like to say to Lou thank you for all the motivation.
It's been an emotional ride for sure. You're very very very good at what you do Lou. Going up against a world class public relations professional is "fraught with danger" as Grady Matthews used to say before someone was going to take a risky shot.
But it paid off. Looking back I realize that you giving me for free what others charge for, publicity, was definitely helpful to me. You made me realize that just because someone tells interesting stories it doesn't mean they are actually good people. But if that person will tell interesting stories about me then that can be advantageous. It wasn't calculated by me that I become an object of your bullying but when it happened I am glad that I had the wherewithal to recognize the benefit. And by providing the "natural" platform to insert my logo and website thousands of times you gave me an even greater gift. You gave me the opportunity to be 100% sincere about how I felt about you while at the same time promoting my brand. Turns out being really real resonates with a lot of people who buy cue cases and who are interested in becoming better players.
So thank you. But now that I have said everything and gotten to the point where we don't need more promotion I will simply answer your posts with thank you.
Test me. Say anything you want. Lie in any way you want to and I will say thank you. To be clear I might report you if you go too far but I won't bother rebutting those lies.
Have a wonderful life Lou. The very best to you and your wife. I forgive you for all that you said about me. I can't forgive you for all that you said about Stan and Hal and the many others you bullied over the years. But for me I am truly at peace with it at this point.
Merry Christmas, you are forgiven.
I have learned that when haters come around it allows for a vigorous discussion and presentation of the merits. I have said many times that Center to Edge Aiming and systematic aiming would have died for lack of interest among a few technical nerds without the hard work of people like Lou and Pat and a number of other trolls. Although they are infuriating the fact is that without their constant criticism and bullying those of us who use, teach and promote aiming systems wouldn't have examined and tested them to the degree that we have.
Now there are several good aiming systems out there. Hal Houle is remembered and his systems have spawned several of those named systems. In addition people have explored the genre and found great success. The whole point was to help others be better players and the haters kept the interest going. Yes it was difficult slogging through an endless list of assholery but in the end we won. There are thousands of people each year and growing who are benefiting from CTE and other objective aiming systems.
The name Stan Shuffett will be remembered long after the current group of haters are gone. Stan's work will be helping others long after he is gone while the words of the trolls will be as meaningless as forgotten as grains of dust swept away by the wind.
That's the legacy the trolls helped to build and among them Lou Figueroa is a legend. I personally extend my truly sincere thanks.
Anytime he wants to invoke my name, to ridicule me, to publicly bask in the victory over me, to get attention and attaboys is ok with me. I will gladly accept all voluntary mentions of myself, my brand, aiming systems and anything else I have decided to promote.
I build high quality cases. I use an aiming system when I play that keeps me in love with pool. I stand behind what I promote and have solid logical reasoning as well as physical proof to back up the effectiveness and practical qualities of those things.
So, although I am really a super nobody in the universal sense at least I have been fortunate to have the opportunity to influence a part of the industry and to be part of helping players enjoy this sport. As the saying goes, haters are motivators and I would like to say to Lou thank you for all the motivation.
It's been an emotional ride for sure. You're very very very good at what you do Lou. Going up against a world class public relations professional is "fraught with danger" as Grady Matthews used to say before someone was going to take a risky shot.
But it paid off. Looking back I realize that you giving me for free what others charge for, publicity, was definitely helpful to me. You made me realize that just because someone tells interesting stories it doesn't mean they are actually good people. But if that person will tell interesting stories about me then that can be advantageous. It wasn't calculated by me that I become an object of your bullying but when it happened I am glad that I had the wherewithal to recognize the benefit. And by providing the "natural" platform to insert my logo and website thousands of times you gave me an even greater gift. You gave me the opportunity to be 100% sincere about how I felt about you while at the same time promoting my brand. Turns out being really real resonates with a lot of people who buy cue cases and who are interested in becoming better players.
So thank you. But now that I have said everything and gotten to the point where we don't need more promotion I will simply answer your posts with thank you.
Test me. Say anything you want. Lie in any way you want to and I will say thank you. To be clear I might report you if you go too far but I won't bother rebutting those lies.
Have a wonderful life Lou. The very best to you and your wife. I forgive you for all that you said about me. I can't forgive you for all that you said about Stan and Hal and the many others you bullied over the years. But for me I am truly at peace with it at this point.
Merry Christmas, you are forgiven.
Oh, so true with all of it. Well stated!
It's ok Nick. People understand that successful people can afford nice things.
Not sure how you can say that the people thought they overpaid but I wonder why you stayed working there if you thought that your boss was somehow cheating his clients?
I mean "overpaid" seems like you're using it to say that they were cheated in some way.
Were you selling a product or service? Yes? Then you had a price on it that the owner wanted to sell at right?
The clients could accept that price or decline right? They had the ability to decide what they were comfortable paying right?
I always get a kick out of the assumptions involved in knocking when anyone shows off the fruits of their success. The idea that my customers will assume they overpaid because I showed off a car is pretty speculative. The reason being that you have no idea what should be paid for the level of quality we build.
And there is no rule on what profit margin is "allowed". The relevant question is whether the customer is satisfied with the value they received for the price they paid. And the answer to that question is that most of our customers feel that they received far more value than they paid for. Especially since each case comes with a lifetime warranty backing it.
I mean you could just as easily assume that our customers would think we deserve to have nice things given the level of quality and service we provide to them. I am quite sure that a significant number of our customers are in that category. They celebrate with us and don't feel cheated in the least by knowing that we rewarded ourselves for the work we put in.
But regardless one thing I know for sure at this point is that no matter how any given person feels about any given subject there is another person who feels just the opposite. So although you want to insinuate that showing off a car will alienate customers it's my experience that this is unlikely to have any impact on our sales. If anything it shows that we appreciate and invest in the same level of high quality that we build and provide to our customers.
If you want to award me triple silly points though you can check out Chesters Pool Room in OKC. I paid $180,000 for it. Maybe you can comment on that and further insinuate that our customers are "overpaying" for their JB Cases. Perhaps you can point them towards cases that you feel are priced in line with what you think is a "fair" price and we can then have a comparative discussion.
As you know I love to have long and substantive conversations with physical evidence presented.
Together we can help to educate consumers what prices are fair, which are incredible values and which are overpriced. Anytime you want to do that just start a thread about our pricing and I will show up to rebut any claims that I think need to be rebutted.
In the meantime, of anyone wants to see what we make and judge our prices you can do so at www.jbcases.com
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
Honestly I think your pricing is totally fair. I'm not a rich man but I was able to afford one after saving up for a while. If the price was higher it would be worth it but I wouldn't have been able to justify the expense. There are cheaper cases, but none that offer what JB cases offer. You offer high end customized stuff for those with the means (and they are beautiful!) and you offer a great product that most can afford if they can budget for it a bit. For the protection and durability it's a very fair price point.
It's kind of like the work boots theory. You can buy a $50 pair every month, a $350 pair that will last years, or a $1500 pair if you want a bootmaker to customize them exactly how you want. I'd rather have holes in my boots for a few months to save and buy a $350 pair than keep buying the $50 crap that still leaves my feet wet from puddles.
My old case had a broken zipper and was destroyed by a cat using it as a scratching post. I toted the thing around for a few months until I ordered the JB. Well worth the price, and a huge upgrade!
I've had several people ask about my case and I've sang it's praises, even opening up the zipper and shaking it to show the cues won't fall out. I'd be devastated if anything happened to my cues but I know the JB case won't let them hit the concrete. Thanks for making a great product, and enjoy the fruits of your labor!
I was GM. President had sold business to Investment Company. He was "Founder" and they kept him around for relationships and transitions. We were Number 1 by miles and charged accordingly. Clients understand that you make profits. They also understand when they are paying for value. The problem comes when you "Flex" for the camera. It's not the best look.
John your company is unlike many companies building Pool Cue Cases, with the take it, and be happy attitudes.
You are like custom tailor who made fine men suits, you allow customer to pick style, capacity, colors, stitching & trim color, logos, etc.
Pricing is fair, you stand behind product, what else could person want?
Got mine way I wanted.
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Sounds like he cashed out and could flex as he wished to. That's one of the differences between an owner and an employee. The buyer bought the company he owned and they "kept him around" because his presence added value to their purchase. Since you say the product was the best and priced accordingly I am going to disagree with your assessment of what the clients were thinking. Maybe they yawned but it's highly doubtful that they felt they overpaid because the ex-owner wanted to show off his car.
Thank you!
Yes, the whole set is working now. Good job.